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sportscollector 05-15-2013 01:57 PM

T206 Joe Tinker PSA 4 UZIT Back value?
 
whats this card worth?

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Cardboard Junkie 05-15-2013 02:23 PM

Any Uzit is, of course, a big time score. And Tinker would be ultra cool. I think if it is the portrait it would bring more than the other poses. And a psa4..well into 5 digits I think. Dave

bigfish 05-15-2013 02:24 PM

Uzit
 
Post a scan.

sportscollector 05-15-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie (Post 1131239)
Any Uzit is, of course, a big time score. And Tinker would be ultra cool. I think if it is the portrait it would bring more than the other poses. And a psa4..well into 5 digits I think. Dave

its not the portrait its Tinker batting you really think its worth more then $10,000? I was thinking $2500 to $5,000

Sean 05-15-2013 03:25 PM

An Uzit PSA 4 on the back of a HOF? I would say at least $8,000, and probably over 10K. I would like to see the scan, though.

Cardboard Junkie 05-15-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1131276)
An Uzit PSA 4 on the back of a HOF? I would say at least $8,000, and probably over 10K. I would like to see the scan, though.

+1
Great minds think alike.:)Dave ps a 4 is pretty high grade to me, and with a UZIT back:eek:!

sportscollector 05-15-2013 05:57 PM

scans added

Tao_Moko 05-15-2013 06:12 PM

It has a lot going for it:

1) UZIT
2) Nice Condition
3) HOFer
4) Cub
5) Hall of Fame Cub in nice condition w/ an Uzit back!!

I hope you own this card are have the ability to get it. At one time I was working on a Cubs master set of all back types and this would have been a holy grail. You just need to find one of the gazillion T206 Cubs guys that is also working on the back variations and this card is easily worth $10,000 if you get a few fighting over it.

sportscollector 05-15-2013 06:39 PM

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had no idea it was worth that much. This card is now one of my most valuable cards I own. I have it listed in the BST forum should I list it on ebay? or consign it to a auction house?

DerekMichael 05-15-2013 06:39 PM

Seems to me that if you put it in the correct auction house, 5 digits would certainly be possible.

Big time card!!!

sportscollector 05-15-2013 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 1131345)
It has a lot going for it:

1) UZIT
2) Nice Condition
3) HOFer
4) Cub
5) Hall of Fame Cub in nice condition w/ an Uzit back!!

I hope you own this card are have the ability to get it. At one time I was working on a Cubs master set of all back types and this would have been a holy grail. You just need to find one of the gazillion T206 Cubs guys that is also working on the back variations and this card is easily worth $10,000 if you get a few fighting over it.

yes I own the card are you interested in it?

Tao_Moko 05-15-2013 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscollector (Post 1131378)
yes I own the card are you interested in it?

John,

I'll pm you to maintain the integrity of this thread so it doesn't turn into a b/s/t post.

*I see you posted it on b/s/t for offers. Nice bait job here on the forum side.

jimivintage 05-15-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscollector (Post 1131368)
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had no idea it was worth that much. This card is now one of my most valuable cards I own. I have it listed in the BST forum should I list it on ebay? or consign it to a auction house?

How in the HECK does one just come up with something like this and not have a clue what it's worth?! LOL Why can't I "stumble" across stuff like this??

sportscollector 05-15-2013 07:18 PM

honestly my collection is so big I actually forgot about the card for awhile had no idea its worth so much

jimivintage 05-15-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscollector (Post 1131392)
honestly my collection is so big I actually forgot about the card for awhile had no idea its worth so much

Yet another problem I wish I had! :)

cfc1909 05-15-2013 08:14 PM

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2006/141.html

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekMichael (Post 1131369)
Seems to me that if you put it in the correct auction house, 5 digits would certainly be possible.

Big time card!!!

I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfc1909 (Post 1131420)

Hmmm.......interesting......it's the same card ;)

Something seems a little off here.....

DerekMichael 05-15-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1131433)
I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

You are probably right. It just seems like Bill Goodwin has a knack for getting awesome prices on these types of cards.

sportscollector 05-15-2013 08:46 PM

well I bought the card in 2007 or early 2008 on ebay I forgot what I paid for it then I for got about it as I was busy putting together my 52 topps set. I thought I had gotten it graded but I guess I bought it graded already.

jcmtiger 05-15-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1131436)
Hmmm.......interesting......it's the same card ;)

Something seems a little off here.....

Well the Edwards auction was 7 years ago wasn't it?
Joe

nsaddict 05-15-2013 09:08 PM

With selling this card, you can buy a bunch of 80's rack packs that match the year on the box :) Sorry couldn't resist.

MVSNYC 05-15-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1131433)
I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

+1

sportscollector 05-15-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsaddict (Post 1131450)
With selling this card, you can buy a bunch of 80's rack packs that match the year on the box :) Sorry couldn't resist.

lol lol that was a good one lolol.

sportscollector 05-15-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1131452)
+1

yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscollector (Post 1131458)
yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

Not really, it was a PSA 2 or 3 can't quite remember exactly but I was watching it very closely. The card was actually pretty nice for the grade, sold for a little over 2K. I think you could be thinking of another.

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmtiger (Post 1131448)
Well the Edwards auction was 7 years ago wasn't it?
Joe

In this lovely internet era, every step of the way for most cards is easily traced and sale prices are easily produced. There's always an eTrail to follow dating back to the late 90's ;)

Tao_Moko 05-15-2013 10:34 PM

Are there examples beyond the Jennings that support a value of only a few thousand dollars for HOFers in a 2-4 grade range? I would be surprised to see the card in this thread go for 4-6k at auction but I've been out of the back craze for a few years so maybe I'm off. The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

DerekMichael 05-15-2013 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscollector (Post 1131458)
yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

I am now the owner of the Jennings you are referring to, and it is in no way "really beat up".

DerekMichael 05-15-2013 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 1131473)
Are there examples beyond the Jennings that support a value of only a few thousand dollars for HOFers in a 2-4 grade range? I would be surprised to see the card in this thread go for 4-6k at auction but I've been out of the back craze for a few years so maybe I'm off. The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

A Sam Crawford SGC 40 3 went on Ebay for $4200 a couple of months ago. It was BIN, and went within 20-30 minutes of the card being listed. It was a very good looking card.

I figured Tinker would be a bigger seller than Crawford, but I may be wrong. What is your opinion?

sportscollector 05-15-2013 11:04 PM

maybe it was another one I was thinking of that sold awhile back maybe it was not Jennings but I think I remember a really beat uzit that sold on ebay a long time ago that was beat up maybe I got the two confused

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekMichael (Post 1131476)
I am now the owner of the Jennings you are referring to, and it is in no way "really beat up".

Thanks for chimming in Derek, it was a really nice card for the grade! I was so close to bidding, but got side tracked by another card at that same time. Very nice pick up ;)

sportscollector 05-15-2013 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1131461)
Not really, it was a PSA 2 or 3 can't quite remember exactly but I was watching it very closely. The card was actually pretty nice for the grade, sold for a little over 2K. I think you could be thinking of another.

I think you are right it was not the Jennings

DerekMichael 05-15-2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1131480)
Thanks for chimming in Derek, it was a really nice card for the grade! I was so close to bidding, but got side tracked by another card at that same time. Very nice pick up ;)

Thank you for the kind words. The last time I saw the card was in REA, and I knew then I really wanted it, but at the time it was not within my budget. Do not get me wrong, $2100 is currently a bit steep for me, but I am very happy to have added this one to my very modest collection.

I think it is a solid card, though it does have a light crease which does not really show up in the scans.

I have seen at least 4 of this front/ back combo over the years, and I am certain there are more out there, so it is not necessarily a rare Uzit. However, it is one of my favorite images, so my Dad and I were excited to add this one to our collection.

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 1131473)
The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

The same exact price that has been quoted for the OP....It is what it is. Everybody overvalues their cards.....until reality sets in and if you wanna actually sell it, you have to price accordingly or send it to auction and hope some sucker with a little jing in his pocket goes over his head and overpays because he "needs it". Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. It's a 4-6K card on a normal day.

Shoele$$ 05-15-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekMichael (Post 1131482)
Thank you for the kind words. The last time I saw the card was in REA, and I knew then I really wanted it, but at the time it was not within my budget. Do not get me wrong, $2100 is currently a bit steep for me, but I am very happy to have added this one to my very modest collection.

I think it is a solid card, though it does have a light crease which does not really show up in the scans.

I have seen at least 4 of this front/ back combo over the years, and I am certain there are more out there, so it is not necessarily a rare Uzit. However, it is one of my favorite images, so my Dad and I were excited to add this one to our collection.

You guys should be proud, it's an amazing card that's for sure. Defintitely a keeper! I also love that "arms raised" image....timeless.

Tao_Moko 05-16-2013 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekMichael (Post 1131477)
A Sam Crawford SGC 40 3 went on Ebay for $4200 a couple of months ago. It was BIN, and went within 20-30 minutes of the card being listed. It was a very good looking card.

I figured Tinker would be a bigger seller than Crawford, but I may be wrong. What is your opinion?

Tinker is more desirable and there are enough Chicago collectors that it should go higher than Crawford. If it were his portrait then I don't know that we'd be having this discussion. Will it get $10k on bst with a motivated seller? I doubt it.

Shoele$$ 05-16-2013 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 1131502)
Will it get $10k on bst with a motivated seller? I doubt it.

Not right now it wouldn't, lol. I've had this discussion with a lot of members here trying to sell right now. Seems like many people are having a rough go of it right now in the BST sections. Too many members saving their money right now for REA and the National coming up. This is probably the worst time to have cards listed for sale right now. There's a lot of great deals on cards in BST section right now and they're just barely moving at all. A lot of us were contemplating pulling the listings and waiting until after the National.

MVSNYC 05-16-2013 07:25 AM

HOF rare backs are hit or miss. I've seen some that you'd expect to go for a ton, sell low, and vice versa. 2 months ago I bought a clean PSA 1.5 McGraw Lenox back for only 1300. That is just slightly above a common price for that back. I've been told by Scot R that his back multiplier chart is just for commons, not HOFers. I believe it was also he who said his guess for HOFers would be about 1/2 of the common multiplier, maybe he could jump in here and explain why. But from my perspective I'd much rather have a common rare back and not pay any premium for a HOFer on the front. I think many back collectors would agree.

There's several tiers of HOFers, Tinker being on the lower end.

becollie 05-16-2013 08:10 AM

To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

Leon 05-16-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by becollie (Post 1131550)
To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

As someone who has collected "backs", and not necessarily only T206, for the past 17 yrs I don't think the craze is going away soon. I love to collect the backs.

Shoele$$ 05-16-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by becollie (Post 1131550)
To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

I too am skeptical of just how much longer it will last. Even though I do also like to collect the rarer backs, I don't do it just for the back alone. If I'm going to buy a card of a rarer back, I want it to either be a player I'm interested in or a particular pose that I enjoy. It's gotta be the right combo for me to drop my money.

ullmandds 05-16-2013 08:32 AM

Backs collecting...in general...isn't going to go away...BUT...the crazy...overinflated prices eventually will!!!!! It is a BUBBLE...and all bubble's eventually burst!!!!:eek:

Shoele$$ 05-16-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1131559)
Backs collecting...in general...isn't going to go away...BUT...the crazy...overinflated prices eventually will!!!!! It is a BUBBLE...and all bubble's eventually burst!!!!:eek:

Very true, just like the E card bubble a few years back. Many, many collectors got their asses burnt by way overpaying......now they're stuck and hoping for another HUGE upswing in E card collecting some day down the road.

ullmandds 05-16-2013 08:57 AM

agreed...def similar to the e bubble!!!!

edhans 05-16-2013 10:03 AM

Re: T206 Joe Tinker PSA 4 UZIT Back value?
 
Great card, but I'm surprised that after 44 replies, no one mentioned that it's overgraded. Should be a 2.5 at best due to the crease on the lower left.

ullmandds 05-16-2013 10:06 AM

ed...that's a given...it's a psa holder, duh!!!!!

Zone91 05-16-2013 10:13 AM

I like the idea of collecting rare T206 backs but at this price I would rather own a E90-1 Shoeless Joe Jackson rookie card or a 1933 Goudey Lajoie #106 or a high grade 51 Bowman Mickey Mantle rookie card. I understand the importance of this card but when actually taking this amount of ones bank account I could not do it.

Post # 3

edhans 05-16-2013 10:26 AM

Re: T206 Joe Tinker PSA 4 UZIT Back value?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1131589)
ed...that's a given...it's a psa holder, duh!!!!!

Indeed; how thoughtless of me.

DerekMichael 05-16-2013 12:22 PM

For me personally, I have fallen deeply in love with these T206 backs.

When my Dad and I first started collecting T206, we accumulated a very nice group of HOF, but with common backs. While it was fantastic, it was not challenging, whatsoever (unless you go for 7's and 8's, which is not my thing).

We have slowly begun collecting tougher backs, with HOF as much as possible, and we do not plan on changing our direction any time soon. We love these tough backs and will continue to go after them.

As a collector, I would LOVE to see prices come down!!!! But so far, it has only gotten more and more expensive to be in this rare backs game.

No regrets, however.

I dig the Uzit Tinker. Sweet combination!


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