Ok I have seen enough JOEY FARINO board member

[danmckee]

I refunded him $650 for the R315 Ruth he bought from me due to supposed employment problems on January 11th. Now he is bidding and winning expensive items on ebay.

Anyone dealing with him, I say beware.

I asked him why he is bidding on these and winning some and his reply was that he was bidding for a friend of his friend gives him the cash.

I am calling BULLSHIT on Joey Farino!!



Looks like another Dan Mckee bad judgment refund:

Here is Mr. Joey Farino 2 days after I refunded him and 5 days after he said he lost his job

His bids on January 13th and 15th won for a total of $1189.00

160683291027
Nov-15-11 Jan-12-12 08:32:27 US $699.00 09 Kobe Bryant National Treasures Auto Jersey SP /25 BGS 9.5 TIMELINE ON CARD Purchased on:
Jan-12-12 08:32:27
See All Buyers
doigi

220929877671
Jan-10-12 Jan-12-12 11:27:49 US $551.11 BV$600 Derrick Rose 2008-09 SPX Upper Deck SPX Away Jersey Auto RC #111 #/99 Purchased on:
Jan-12-12 11:27:49
See All Buyers
fentman

320827515549
Jan-10-12 Jan-13-12 13:19:44 US $600.00 BGS 9.5 Carmelo Anthony 10-11 Certified Green Auto #4/5 Next Precious Metal Gem Purchased on:
Jan-13-12 13:19:44
See All Buyers
faaugustin

120839496544
Jan-06-12 Jan-13-12 17:08:56 US $530.00 2008-09 BOWMAN CHROME RC AUTO #151 DERRICK ROSE BGS 9.5 AU 10 italianz31 (*) chiayi.1

120840488547
Jan-08-12 Jan-15-12 18:30:05 US $659.00 2008 EXQUISITE KOBE BRYANT BGS 9.5 W/10 AUTO #/24 L@@K italianz31 (*) bryan-bandb

[kmac32]

Find it interesting that Joeyf keeps asking the board for prices on graded cards from vcp. Buck it up and buy a subscription if it's so important to know a price. It's just plain rude in my opinion.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Find it interesting that Joeyf keeps asking the board for prices on graded cards from vcp. Buck it up and buy a subscriptiong if it's so important to know a price. It's just plain rude in my opinion.

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by t206hound

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

No no no.... That would make too much sense

[Sean1125]

This guy is banned on the PSA forums for a reason.

[danmckee]

Wait a minute, I am banned from the PSA boards as well!

[danmckee]

oh that's right, cause of the lawsuit. Since I won, they should have reinstated me!

[autograf]

You should have made that part of the judgment!

[k-dog]

Originally Posted by t206hound

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

He did that...and now he is trying to sell it for $1.99!

[Jaybird]

bummer, Dan. Sorry to hear about that. It's a bit of a slap in the face when you're trying to take someone at their word.

[HRBAKER]

Dan,
The problem is you don't sell shiny basketball cards.
Yours was just an old Ruth card.

Jeff

[Fred]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Wait a minute, I am banned from the PSA boards as well!

Next time don't be so mean to Joe. I wonder if Adam's been banned with you?

If getting banned for what happened aint a badge of honor in the collecting world then nothing is!

Sorry to hear about this - some people will have a reason/excuse for lots of things. Like Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say -

"It just goes to show ya, it's always something"

[hangman62]

O)h, yea, Im callin BS on that one !

[Taxman]

This poor fellow has some really bad luck...told me his grandmother died and girlfriend was pregnant...Now he's lost his job.

[novakjr]

Is this the same guy who was inquiring about a '54 Aaron in Pro-6 holder? And apparently wasn't unemployed enough to keep him from inquiring about how low the seller was willing to go on price.

[asphaltman]

It does sound like you got suckered Dan. For what reason though, i'm not sure.

[Big Six]

Over 1,100 views in a bit more than five hours...impressive.

[Taxman]

999 by Joey Farino 100 by Sam1952 and no response from the culprits.

[DJR]

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[Jay Wolt]

I thought deadbeat buyers on eBay were given 3 strikes before they were booted.
Isn't that the case anymore?

[danmckee]

[Taxman]

Dan, Be strong.....Ive been receiving the same emails ever since I outed Joey over on the SGC and PSA boards. This Hobby doesnt need the likes of him and his alts.

[novakjr]

Honest question here...Does he seem to be a guy that's just in over his head in the hobby? Or is he just scatter-brained and indecisive?

[wonkaticket]

Wow not cool! Dan sorry that will teach you to be nice.

Cheers,

John

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by danmckee

oh that's right, cause of the lawsuit. Since I won, they should have reinstated me!

What law suit?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

What law suit?

Cliff notes back in the day Dan sent a T206 Magie to be re-graded. Dan called PSA for weeks looking for an update they sort of blew him off, then they sort of lost his card. Dan then proceeded to take PSA to court for the loss rightfully so. Long story short Dan and PSA are not sharing Xmas cards.

Sad thing was I was the guy who was buying the card from Dan, had the card not got lost I would have had a nice VG-VGEX card for way less than what my one in REA cost me.

John

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by DJR

I feel bad for Joey on many levels but when it starts affecting others, it bothers me and wish he would go away quietly.

I added Joey's eBay ID italianz31 to my blocked bidder list months ago and would suggest everyone to follow my lead.

I will post below a sampling of items Joey recently 'purchased' on eBay, then reneged, and were subsequently relisted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160708333780
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160712527866

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380367680428
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380401328921

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160683291027
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=400269710026

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280775667600
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280803939033

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320827515549
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320829876663

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220929877671
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320829862663

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200687850986
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200690324338

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300641950721
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300645768685

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300639393577
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300641390086

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=390377940573
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=390382204907

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170658110000
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170757234065

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190621902382
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190624853490

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140545732752
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380399914035

Maybe I'm just naive but how do you know he bid on this stuff when Ids are blocked? Why do buyers have "private feedback"?

[Sean1125]

Buyers who ONLY make purchases can set their feedback to private so that it cannot be viewed.

[celoknob]

"I thought deadbeat buyers on eBay were given 3 strikes before they were booted.
Isn't that the case anymore? "

It sure doesn't seem that way. What's more, I've seen people with less than 50 total feedback that have 20 retracted bids in one year.

Unlike some others, I did not really have a problem when ebay got rid of leaving buyer feedback. But that action should have backed that up with very strong and enforceable sanctions against non-paying bidders and chronic "bid retracters". It seems to me they have done the opposite and these kind of guys never go away. Often they end up screwing up auctions, whether you are involved buying or selling.

[Leon]

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

[Taxman]

Now he is posting again on the SGC Board.

[ullmandds]

If ebay hadn't purchased paypal a few years ago...they'd be in trouble with all of the lame-ass changes they've made in the last few years...it really is hurting their auction business...and it sucks to be a seller sometimes!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

They could be friends though.

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

They could be friends though.

OR Family members, members of the same tribe, members of the same gang, or just people out to scam someone....While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

As I told both of them, as soon as they prove who they really are, they will be back on the board. They might not be different people. This is only a permanent suspension if they choose it to be. I think that is pretty fair, no? If someone asked me to prove who I am because they had concerns I was someone else, I would prove it in 2 minutes, and move on. It's just that simple.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

They could be friends though.

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

Originally Posted by Taxman

While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.

So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.


So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

David,
Thanks for your opinion. If you will go back and see what I said, I said that Joey will still have some questions to answer. I also said that licenses were one way to prove identity but I am open to others too. Is it that difficult to understand? To me, this proving identity thing is so easy it's a no-brainer. And it keeps the board safer by being diligent. Just my opinion though. Also, you obviously didn't get the gist of what I said. I said both need to prove it. If one does and the other doesn't, then I will go from there. best regards

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

Fair point.

It's nothing worth arguing over anyway. If he complies with Leon's request than it's water under the bridge... The main issue is the Dan incident, which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[Taxman]

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Taxman

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

While I appreciate the "easiest" answer I absolutely will NOT take that route. I will be fair to both of those folks. I can see Sam coming back upon proof but Joey still having quite a bit of 'splaining to do.

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

[dstraate]

Anybody with that many aliases is not somebody I want to do business with. Leon, if you get requests to use the login name realdstraate, dstraate81, sandbergfan81, or dboog, they are not me, they are my err. business partners.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

Glad you asked. I have absolutely no issue with having someone prove who they say they are...when there is probable cause to think otherwise. However, you have no cause. You said, "I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation." No, you don't any information other than some other board member's suspicion. If I am wrong, lay out your information. I still stand behind my earlier statement: To accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

We just see this differently so let's just agree to disagree. As Pete said, let's get back to the main issue which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[Fred]

I'm sure Leon's pretty savvy about these things but in today's world you can easily have multiple IP addresses and area codes for phone numbers.

Because of my work environment (I work out of one location) I have three area codes and can shift my computer around to have three different IP addresses (not all at the same time, but I could if I used multiple computers). I can make a quick IP address swap with a 10 second hardware change or a quick software change.

Just because someone calls you from one area code and another calls from a different area code doesn't mean they're not the same person. I'd rather have them both conferenced in but even then it only takes a person to ask a friend to pretend to be someone else...

don't you just love technology and people that aren't very truthful... $hit, here I go.... I love our country but I hate the fact that criminals can get away with all types of crap because we belong to a "sensitive" society that has to give everyone the benefit of the phucing doubt and even if someone proves they're a phucing loser we let them "rehabilitate" themselves so that they can return to society and phuc someone else... Sometimes I think some of those Islamic laws aren't so bad.... you steal, you get your hand cut off... do you think that type of deterant works? Ask a Muslim that knows someone that had their hand hacked off.... no, I'm not advocating that we make drastic changes to our laws but punishments with a bit of a bite might be cool.... please, don't get me started on capital punishment...

oops... did I really type all of that... sorry.... No Leon, I don't think you need to hunt down Joey and shoot him... although I'll venture to guess that some people may disagree with that....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Glad you asked. I have absolutely no issue with having someone prove who they say they are..

You would have been better off just shutting up after you said the above statement. Writing styles, other peoples thoughts, both SAM and Joey commenting on similar things...SAM not returning my emails in a timely manner etc etc....all give me enough cause to ask a harmless request. As for you David, as my father used to say "Son, you would argue with a billboard and give it a 30 minute headstart". You run your board your way I will do my best with this one. I will usually error on the side of caution, which is what I am doing with SAM....Again, I am sure you see it differently. My mind isn't changing so I suggest we move on from this. thanks again....

[danmckee]

Leon, you forgot to mention that Sam and Joey were also reading the board coincidently at the same time.

[scmavl]

Whether it's "fair" or not, I would just rather not have someone on this board who we have reason to suspect would screw you in a deal.

That being said, I appreciate the fairness Leon desires and how he isn't all about censoring and banning people for every little thing.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by scmavl

That being said, I appreciate the fairness Leon desires and how he isn't all about censoring and banning people for every little thing.

Leon has always been able to whip me into shape effectively, and that's quite a task.

Scott <=== only half-neutered

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Buyers who ONLY make purchases can set their feedback to private so that it cannot be viewed.

Why dont they want their feedback viewed if they cannot receive negative feedback anymore?

[mdschulze]

Leon runs this board and he can manage it how he sees fit and solely on his opinion and discretion alone. Anyone who disagrees with his management style can always take a walk or just close their eyes!