Ok I have seen enough JOEY FARINO board member

[Leon]

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

They could be friends though.

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

They could be friends though.

OR Family members, members of the same tribe, members of the same gang, or just people out to scam someone....While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

As I told both of them, as soon as they prove who they really are, they will be back on the board. They might not be different people. This is only a permanent suspension if they choose it to be. I think that is pretty fair, no? If someone asked me to prove who I am because they had concerns I was someone else, I would prove it in 2 minutes, and move on. It's just that simple.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

They could be friends though.

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

Originally Posted by Taxman

While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.

So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.


So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

David,
Thanks for your opinion. If you will go back and see what I said, I said that Joey will still have some questions to answer. I also said that licenses were one way to prove identity but I am open to others too. Is it that difficult to understand? To me, this proving identity thing is so easy it's a no-brainer. And it keeps the board safer by being diligent. Just my opinion though. Also, you obviously didn't get the gist of what I said. I said both need to prove it. If one does and the other doesn't, then I will go from there. best regards

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

Fair point.

It's nothing worth arguing over anyway. If he complies with Leon's request than it's water under the bridge... The main issue is the Dan incident, which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[Taxman]

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Taxman

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

While I appreciate the "easiest" answer I absolutely will NOT take that route. I will be fair to both of those folks. I can see Sam coming back upon proof but Joey still having quite a bit of 'splaining to do.

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

Glad you asked. I have absolutely no issue with having someone prove who they say they are...when there is probable cause to think otherwise. However, you have no cause. You said, "I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation." No, you don't any information other than some other board member's suspicion. If I am wrong, lay out your information. I still stand behind my earlier statement: To accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

We just see this differently so let's just agree to disagree. As Pete said, let's get back to the main issue which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[dstraate]

Anybody with that many aliases is not somebody I want to do business with. Leon, if you get requests to use the login name realdstraate, dstraate81, sandbergfan81, or dboog, they are not me, they are my err. business partners.

[Fred]

I'm sure Leon's pretty savvy about these things but in today's world you can easily have multiple IP addresses and area codes for phone numbers.

Because of my work environment (I work out of one location) I have three area codes and can shift my computer around to have three different IP addresses (not all at the same time, but I could if I used multiple computers). I can make a quick IP address swap with a 10 second hardware change or a quick software change.

Just because someone calls you from one area code and another calls from a different area code doesn't mean they're not the same person. I'd rather have them both conferenced in but even then it only takes a person to ask a friend to pretend to be someone else...

don't you just love technology and people that aren't very truthful... $hit, here I go.... I love our country but I hate the fact that criminals can get away with all types of crap because we belong to a "sensitive" society that has to give everyone the benefit of the phucing doubt and even if someone proves they're a phucing loser we let them "rehabilitate" themselves so that they can return to society and phuc someone else... Sometimes I think some of those Islamic laws aren't so bad.... you steal, you get your hand cut off... do you think that type of deterant works? Ask a Muslim that knows someone that had their hand hacked off.... no, I'm not advocating that we make drastic changes to our laws but punishments with a bit of a bite might be cool.... please, don't get me started on capital punishment...

oops... did I really type all of that... sorry.... No Leon, I don't think you need to hunt down Joey and shoot him... although I'll venture to guess that some people may disagree with that....