T206 Hoard Carolina Brights Auction is Live!

[NATCARD]

Link to graded cards (T206's, N172's, T201's)

Link to Central Mass Auctions Wbsite for Live auction
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/cata...1&pageSize=120



Hello, my name is Jeff Weisenberg of National Card Investors. I have been on Net54 since 2009. I have been in the sports cards and collectibles business since my days at Rotman Collectibles in 1978. I love this site and feel it is a great connection between collectors, dealers and a combination of both. Over the years I have been able to have purchased some incredible things. I am not sure anything will compare to the last few weeks. 3 weeks ago (During national week) I along with my partners Boca Cards and National Artifacts purchased an original owner collection of 1000+ T206's. This incredible collection included 16! Ty Cobbs, 16 Nap Lajoie’s, 150 Hall of Famers, 60+ Old Mill Southern Leaguers and the Magie error. The entire collection was graded by SGC and is now in the hands of Heritage Auctions as they will be auctioning it for us. As amazing as that was, just 2 weeks later, a friend that runs auctions on live auctioneers stopped in my office. I help him whenever he gets sports cards and memorabilia with authenticating and lotting the cards. He pulls out a binder that has 250+ T206's and some N172 Old Judges. As I flip the 1st page I notice 2 T206's with Carolina Brights Backs. My mind is now spinning! I just started looking at these cards and already found 2. It turns out there are 54! new to the market Carolina Brights cards. Amazingly 1 of them is a Cobb which was graded today at 1.5 by PSA! Also included were Hall of Famers Bender pitching with trees, Bresnahan with bat, Chance portrait, Eddie Collins, Tris Speaker and Christy Mathewson with dark cap. The rest were commons with some incredibly Low pops! This collection is currently being graded by PSA and I should have grades by the end of the week. These cards will be sold by Central Mass Auctions in the very near future. Along with the incredible T206's Carolina Brights were some amazing Old Judges. All of the Old Judges had 4 pin holes in each (the corners) yet still presented very well in terms of image. Amongst them are John Clarkson End of Pitch, R/Arm Extended, L/Hand on thigh, John Clarkson Bat at ready over R/Shoulder, King Kelly Portrait, Bare head, Chicago on shirt. All of these are at PSA as well. I will update all of the Net54 members as I get more information. Please feel free to email me with any questions. I will state that NONE of these cards will be for sale privately. All must and will go to auction. Images below:



Here I am holding the 16 Cobbs!

Here are the 150+ Hall of Famers

Here is the Magie


LINK To the N172 Images of all non graded Cards

Central Mass Auctions[/COLOR]



Thanks, Jeff Weisenberg

[boneheadandrube]

Show the Green Cobbs please!

[53toppscollector]

54 Carolina Brights.

Wow

[Leon]

That's awesome!
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[swarmee]

Dang; this was a National for the ages. Combine that with the Goldin T206 find and there will be a lot of "fresh to market" goodies coming out soon.

Is it possible they were two parts of the same collection? Maybe split up by heirs long ago?

[Casey2296]

That CB Speaker is incredible. Congrats and please keep us posted.

[CobbSpikedMe]

As is said quite a lot on this board. I love learning about new finds in the hobby! Thanks for sharing this with us.


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[babraham]

Dang that's a ton new Carolina Brights!

[Ronnie73]

It will be interesting to see if there are any new previously unknown CB cards or any other cards that can be added to the T206 master list. Looking forward to seeing what gets listed.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

It will be interesting to see if there are any new previously unknown CB cards or any other cards that can be added to the T206 master list. Looking forward to seeing what gets listed.

I see at least one of the four unconfirmed CB's.

[NATCARD]

Here is a list of all of the cards with Carolina Brights Backs: Thanks, Jeff W
List does not include the hall of famers from the original post.
sam strang
ollie pickering
frank oberlin
stoney mcglynn
billy nattress
jack hannifan hannifin
bill lattimore
john anderson
ira thomas
birdie cree
jack quinn
bill dineen dinneen
lee quillen quillin
davy jones detroit
ted easterly
jimmy dygert
lou fiene throwing
frank arellanes
jimmy lavender
john ganzel
dots miller pittsburg
oscar stanage
heinie zimmerman
jim scott
shad barry milwaukee
owen wilson
donie bush
red murray batting
john titus
moose mccormick
chief myers meyers, fielding
bill sweeney boston
hal chase throwing dark cap
jack dunn baltimore
deacon phillippe
fred burchell
lena blackburne

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[brianp-beme]

Nice Green Cobb cards. I like that they are all Piedmont 150...which definitely points to an original collection, as well as that collector being a very loyal smoker.

Brian

[RhodeyRhode]

This is amazing. Great find.

[Joe_G.]

Congrats, thanks for sharing the amazing finds.

Full list of OJs would be greatly appreciated. You listed some interesting HOFers but the true scarcities are what really excite the advanced collectors. Thank you and again congrats !

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Nice Green Cobb cards. I like that they are all Piedmont 150...which definitely points to an original collection, as well as that collector being a very loyal smoker.

Brian

Seems like the entire 1K batch from the original collection is 150-only and 150/350 subjects, which if true not only points to a single source but 1909 acquisition (I am assuming that all of the 150/350 cards in the 1K batch have 150 backs like the Green Cobbs). Interesting that the SLers are Old Mill; that hints at introduction of the Old Mill Southern back in 1909 which is earlier than I thought.

[rebelsart]

Congratulations on this incredible find! 👍

[big-six]

I’ll take the one in the third row down all the way to the right-

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by big-six

I’ll take the one in the third row down all the way to the right-

It may depend on your zoom settings, but for me the nicest one looks like #5

[Casey2296]

I can see the guy in 1909 opening a pack of smokes and saying “Oh jeez, not another Green Cobb” as he flings it on the pile.

[stutor]

What an amazing find!!! Congratulations. Thank you for sharing this incredible story.

[NATCARD]

Special not on the following:
Dave Orr is a spotted tie
And Fred Pfeffer – Catch Hands above waist


Mark Baldwin Pitch-hands neck high
California Brown - Bat at Ready
Thomas Brown Catch, Hands Cupped Chest High
Tom Burns Tagging Runner on Ground
Doc Bushong, Brown's Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Bill Bishop Ball in R/Hand Head High
Dick Conway Ready to Pitch, Hands Chest High
Con Daley Hands on knees Boston
Tom Daly Portrait
Pat Dealy Bat in R/Hand at Side
Sid Farrar - Arms Folded - Bare Head
Dave Foutz Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Emil Geiss Bat in R/hand at side
Barney Gilligan Hands on Thighs
Will Gleason Portrait in Striped Cap
Joe Horning (Hornung) Ball in Hands Held Out Neck High
Rudy Kemmler Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Arlie Latham Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Joseph Mulvey Strike, Ball Chest High
Dave Orr Portrait
Billy Nash Portrait
Jimmy Peeples Bat on R/shoulder-Brooklyn
Fred Pfeffer
(2 duplicate cards) Danny Richardson Bat at Ready at 45 Degree
Sam Thompson Bat at Ready at 45 Degree
Larry Twitchell Pitch, Hands By Chest
Chris Von Der Ahe Portrait

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Seems like the entire 1K batch from the original collection is 150-only and 150/350 subjects, which if true not only points to a single source but 1909 acquisition (I am assuming that all of the 150/350 cards in the 1K batch have 150 backs like the Green Cobbs). Interesting that the SLers are Old Mill; that hints at introduction of the Old Mill Southern back in 1909 which is earlier than I thought.

Scot, I posted this ad dated August 14 1909 a few years ago when I found it

OLd Mill Ad.jpg

[jamest206]

Incredibly Awesome Jeff!!!!! Thank you for sharing, and the heads up!

[chriskim]

Congrats!!! Enjoy seeing "new find" pics like these but would be good to hear how the seller(s) obtained those cards.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by NATCARD

Special not on the following:
Dave Orr is a spotted tie
And Fred Pfeffer – Catch Hands above waist


Mark Baldwin Pitch-hands neck high
California Brown - Bat at Ready
Thomas Brown Catch, Hands Cupped Chest High
Tom Burns Tagging Runner on Ground
Doc Bushong, Brown's Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Bill Bishop Ball in R/Hand Head High
Dick Conway Ready to Pitch, Hands Chest High
Con Daley Hands on knees Boston
Tom Daly Portrait
Pat Dealy Bat in R/Hand at Side
Sid Farrar - Arms Folded - Bare Head
Dave Foutz Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Emil Geiss Bat in R/hand at side
Barney Gilligan Hands on Thighs
Will Gleason Portrait in Striped Cap
Joe Horning (Hornung) Ball in Hands Held Out Neck High
Rudy Kemmler Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Arlie Latham Portrait in striped hat-Brown's Champions
Joseph Mulvey Strike, Ball Chest High
Dave Orr Portrait
Billy Nash Portrait
Jimmy Peeples Bat on R/shoulder-Brooklyn
Fred Pfeffer
(2 duplicate cards) Danny Richardson Bat at Ready at 45 Degree
Sam Thompson Bat at Ready at 45 Degree
Larry Twitchell Pitch, Hands By Chest
Chris Von Der Ahe Portrait

Thank you for the share. At first glance, these could all be early OJs, 1886-1887. Do they all have the "Old Judge Cigarettes" flying hot dog? While these players are not difficult in comparison to other OJs (exception for the Orr Spotted Tie), there were some later year re-issues that are very tough. For example, Gilligan in 1887 with Washington is common, but 1888 re-issue with Detroit is near impossible. I'm anxious to see them hit the auction block and good luck!

[jbsports33]

Wow! just read the article - love seeing some rare backs

Congrats!!!

Jimmy

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Scot, I posted this ad dated August 14 1909 a few years ago when I found it

Attachment 531235

Very cool Pat. Thanks for that research. Most of the OMS ads that I have seen are from early 1910.

It would be fun to know if the 14 non-Hindu SLers are part of this find.

[NATCARD]

Here are the 7 PSA graded Caorolina Brights Hall of Famers. Just Back today.

[53toppscollector]

Man that Speaker looks more and more amazing every time I open the thread

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Man that Speaker looks more and more amazing every time I open the thread

That's a special one, probably won't make it past several members here at auction.

[DeanH3]

Oh man, that Matty dark cap is what dreams are made of. That would look great in my Matty back run.

Congrats on a great find!

[babraham]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Man that Speaker looks more and more amazing every time I open the thread

Beat me to it.
Yes, that is a beauty of a card!!

[Stampsfan]

How is the Chance altered? Obviously an original collection, yet someone altered the card? Even if it was altered, one can assume it wasn't done for monetary gain.

[NATCARD]

I agree. I do not understand how when a grading company receives 50+ original very rare cards they do not justify how they believe the card was altered. I would love to know as well. Jeff W

[53toppscollector]

it looks short top to bottom, which may have been how it was cut at the factory.

[fkm_bky]

Yeah...the Chance is garbage...don't bother bidding on it, b/c with the dreaded "A" designation it's essentially worthless. I'd be willing to take one for the team and bid on it, just so others don't have to.

Amazing cards!

Bill

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

it looks short top to bottom, which may have been how it was cut at the factory.

All is hunky dory...PSA was just indicating that the card was factory altered.

Brian

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

All is hunky dory...PSA was just indicating that the card was factory altered.

Brian

It is so exhausting, the lack of consistency and honestly, knowledge from PSA. Just like they grade the overwhelming majority of American Beauties as "miscuts" when those cards were specifically cut narrow to fit the AB packaging.

If T206 was some kind of oddball set, maybe you'd understand them not knowing every detail. But we are talking about one of the most important sets in the hobby, and one they've graded more than a quarter million cards for.

Edit > the Bres With Bat also looks short top to bottom and it too was graded A.

[NATCARD]

The original post now has a link to the site with all images of the raw N172 cards. Thanks, Jeff W

[Joe_G.]

Thanks Jeff . . . as speculated, all 1887 OJs (possible 1886 in case of Orr spotted tie). Not a single 1888, 1889, or 1890 card. Seems as though the OJs are an original collection as well from a collector who smoked OJ brand in 1887.

[Exhibitman]

Maybe he croaked before the 1888 release.

[NATCARD]

I will publish pictures as soon as I get the cards back.
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jean Dubuc GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Abstein VERY GOOD+ 3.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Billy Campbell VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Burns VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Chappelle VERY GOOD+ 3.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Josh Clark Clarke, Columbus POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Gavvy Cravath VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Frank Delehanty Delahanty-Louisville GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Joe Dunn Brooklyn VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Paul Davidson GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Moose Grimshaw GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Steamer Flanagan VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jimmy Slagle VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Harry Gasper POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Nick Maddox VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jack White Buffalo VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Sam Strang VERY GOOD+ 3.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Ollie Pickering VERY GOOD 3
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Frank Oberlin GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Stoney McGlynn VERY GOOD 3
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Billy Nattress GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jack Hannifan Hannifin VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Lattimore POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights John Anderson VERY GOOD+ 3.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Ira Thomas GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Birdie Cree VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jack Quinn VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Dineen Dinneen VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Lee Quillen Quillin EXCELLENT 5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Davy Jones Detroit EXCELLENT 5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Ted Easterly VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jimmy Dygert VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Lou Fiene Throwing GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Frank Arellanes POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jimmy Lavender VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights John Ganzel VERY GOOD+ 3.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Dots Miller Pittsburg GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Oscar Stanage POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Heinie Zimmerman VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jim Scott POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Shad Barry Milwaukee VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Owen Wilson VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Donie Bush GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Red Murray Batting POOR 1
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights John Titus VERY GOOD 3
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Moose McCormick GOOD 2 MC
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Chief Myers Meyers, Fielding GOOD+ 2.5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Bill Sweeney Boston VERY GOOD 3
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Hal Chase Throwing Dark Cap GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Jack Dunn Baltimore EXCELLENT 5
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Deacon Phillippe GOOD 2
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Fred Burchell VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 MC
1909-11 T206 Carolina Brights Lena Blackburne VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
Jeff W

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

That's a special one, probably won't make it past several members here at auction.

I know someone here hellbent on owning that

Interesting that the Chance is altered.... Odd result from a "find", no?

[NATCARD]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I know someone here hellbent on owning that

Interesting that the Chance is altered.... Odd result from a "find", no?

PSA is so full of beginner graders that S*&T happens as they say!

[Leon]

That is some kind of find. Congrats!
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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Interesting that the Chance is altered.... Odd result from a "find", no?

The original (or a subsequent owner) could have altered the card without the modern day 'evil intent', for example coloring in a scuff in the background.

Brian

[NATCARD]

Look at the original post. 1st line is now a link to the web site with the graded images. Thanks, Jeff W

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by NATCARD

Look at the original post. 1st line is now a link to the web site with the graded images. Thanks, Jeff W

Thank you Jeff! Wow- amazing cards! Best of luck!


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[NATCARD]

There is al ink at the top of the original post to the now Live auction!
Thanks, Jeff W