Mia Hamm RC in Goldin Auctions

[Peter_Spaeth]

34K. There are no words but geez that's remarkable. Wonder if my 9 is worth anything?

https://goldinauctions.com/1992_SI_f...-LOT94223.aspx

Not to mention 440K for the card of some kid.

https://goldinauctions.com/2019_20_T...-LOT92917.aspx

[fkm_bky]

I for one am very happy to see this! The greats of all time deserve recognition whether it be Pele, Maradona, Messi or someone like Mia Hamm, who was absolutely the cream of the crop in her time. Sometimes that recognition is in the form of a high selling trading card. Doesn't hurt that I'm a huge fan of the USWNT as well

Bill

[Mike D.]

A “Gem Mint” perforated card?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

A “Gem Mint” perforated card?

Mine deserved a 10 damn it.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mine deserved a 10 damn it.

You should put it in one of those dam auctions we were talking about last week instead of whining.

[oldjudge]

Great job by Ken and Goldin auctions! That provides a preview about what rookie cards of Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Candace Parker and Brianna Stewart should be worth.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And Serena, etc.

[chriskim]

The first round of those "rare" rookies always win in terms of hammer prices. Look at the first 50 lots of the recent Goldin auction.... lot of "pass", i guess many consignors expect too much but market has been leveling off.

[Bored5000]

I had to look up the population of that Mia Hamm card when I saw how crazy the price was going. That card is a population one.

I was also watching the Lewis Hamilton Topps Formula 1 cards in yesterday's Goldin auction. Formula 1 cards, especially the 2020 Topps' release, have been on fire in recent months. Several of the Hamilton cards sold significantly lower than they have been going for in the same grade on eBay.

Long term, I think Lewis Hamilton is another big winner investment wise.

[packs]

This was as far as I dipped my toe in this area but I am glad I did. I really enjoy this card:

[Republicaninmass]

I'm sitting in my chair until the music stops

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I'm sitting in my chair until the music stops

. Yup, me too. Lol

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

You should put it in one of those dam auctions we were talking about last week instead of whining.

Dam auctions are the type that hold back the flow of tears caused by all that whining.

Brian

[puckpaul]

You have to really question this, who is paying $34k for THAT card? I would like to meet them. Have some other items for them.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

You have to really question this, who is paying $34k for THAT card? I would like to meet them. Have some other items for them.

A die hard soccer fan, maybe someone outside the US ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

A die hard soccer fan, maybe someone outside the US ?

Or the same person convinced spending 750K on a 3rd year Jordan was a good idea?

[oldjudge]

If that is a 1/1 PSA 10 of the rookie card of arguably the greatest woman soccer player ever then it may turn out to be a bargain. If you are a women’s soccer fan that card will mean a lot more to you than one of the many T206 Cobbs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

If that is a 1/1 PSA 10 of the rookie card of arguably the greatest woman soccer player ever then it may turn out to be a bargain. If you are a women’s soccer fan that card will mean a lot more to you than one of the many T206 Cobbs.

If you've separated a lot of SIFK cards from sheets as I have, a 10 vs a 9 is pretty meaningless as they all come out looking pretty ragged, but I guess if the flip matters then perhaps.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you've separated a lot of SIFK cards from sheets as I have, a 10 vs a 9 is pretty meaningless as they all come out looking pretty ragged, but I guess if the flip matters then perhaps.

Sure, the flip is what matters. As soon as I saw how crazy the price was, I had to look up the population to see if that card was a population one.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...if the flip matters...

Of course the flip matters. These days, the card within doesn't even have to be real.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

You should put it in one of those dam auctions we were talking about last week instead of whining.

Agreed!

Peter,

Time to cash out while the getting is good. Take the money and run.
If Billy Joe would, you should too.

[perezfan]

Why do they even grade perforated cards?

Blow the picture up to its largest size... The perforation "teeth" are all fuzzy, there's a deep scratch to the her left thigh and another to the right of her left foot, as well as a bunch of scattered white dots on the card's surface.

I just don't see it... a couple hundred bucks maybe, but there are at least a million other things I'd buy for that kind of moolah. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

[RCMcKenzie]

For me, it's inflation gone to hell in a hand-basket. My rule has been, I'm not paying more than 5k for a baseball card. There are other hobbies. I'm looking at them now. The guy's a foos-ball player. table soccer, right? He spins those dials...450K You can by a Church's Chicken with a lease expiring for that money.

[RCMcKenzie]

I have 25 Bob Horner Kelloggs cards, those should be worth more than anything. Like 25 million dollars. He hit 4 homers in a game. Much more awesome than Mia Hamm, or the German game boy soccer guy.

[chriskim]

I wonder who made those Goldin banners, final prizes are all messed up. LOL

No one ever checks before they made them live??

that MIA HAMM card only sold for $34.440 Not quite sure what currency that was.... with a '.' and not ',' LOL

[chalupacollects]

In defense of the 2019 Bundesliga card, those are pretty rare as most LCS's didn't order them and they average about $3000 per was box now... Pretty sick... The racing cards are catching up as the same story...

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I wonder who made those Goldin banners, final prizes are all messed up. LOL

No one ever checks before they made them live??

that MIA HAMM card only sold for $34.440 Not quite sure what currency that was.... with a '.' and not ',' LOL

Goldin just made the change but still wrong.. Oh well..

[fkm_bky]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

In defense of the 2019 Bundesliga card, those are pretty rare as most LCS's didn't order them and they average about $3000 per was box now... Pretty sick... The racing cards are catching up as the same story...

Besides the fact Haaland is the next great player of the worlds most popular sport. You're likely getting a lot of global bids for soccer/futbol cards in these auctions compared to baseball.

Bill

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by fkm_bky

Besides the fact Haaland is the next great player of the worlds most popular sport. You're likely getting a lot of global bids for soccer/futbol cards in these auctions compared to baseball.

Bill

Fair enough.... but where did the market suddenly come from??

Baseball and other sport cards have been collected primarily in Canada and the US for well over a century, with most male youths exposed to varying degrees at some point. This has allowed "the market" to grow and prosper, with valuation following once demand was created.

There has never been a LARGE market outside North America for sports cards, but all of sudden, countries with absolutely zero history of collecting cards, and people that have never been exposed are feverishly collecting out of thin air? In large numbers?? Really??

What history of collecting is there for soccer or NASCAR cards that people are currently spending huge sums of money on them? They went from almost no value to priceless overnight??
It makes no sense, hence it's NOT primarily collectors, but those just trying to make money off the hobby buying these and inflating the values.... nothing more.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by aconte

Agreed!

Peter,

Time to cash out while the getting is good. Take the money and run.
If Billy Joe would, you should too.

No, it was Bobby Sue.

[packs]

All due respect to Mia Hamm but I don’t think there is a good reason to spend 34K on a perforated kids magazine card.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No, it was Bobby Sue.

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[ASF123]

Originally Posted by packs

All due respect to Mia Hamm but I don’t think there is a good reason to spend 34K on a perforated kids magazine card.

Clearly, sir, you don’t understand. This particular perforated kids magazine card is the only example of that perforated kids magazine card that has been certified by a notoriously shoddy and corrupt business as being in infinitesimally (and imperceptibly) better condition than all the other examples of that perforated kids magazine card. QED.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Peter, wrong again. Go to the blackboard and write the following 100 times

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Was it Me and Bobbie McGee?

[aro13]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Fair enough.... but where did the market suddenly come from??

Baseball and other sport cards have been collected primarily in Canada and the US for well over a century, with most male youths exposed to varying degrees at some point. This has allowed "the market" to grow and prosper, with valuation following once demand was created.

There has never been a LARGE market outside North America for sports cards, but all of sudden, countries with absolutely zero history of collecting cards, and people that have never been exposed are feverishly collecting out of thin air? In large numbers?? Really??

What history of collecting is there for soccer or NASCAR cards that people are currently spending huge sums of money on them? They went from almost no value to priceless overnight??
It makes no sense, hence it's NOT primarily collectors, but those just trying to make money off the hobby buying these and inflating the values.... nothing more.

The market for baseball cards might be limited to North America and Japan but for sports like basketball where there is a huge global market and hockey, which has a huge European market it is different. Soccer would attract all collecting markets. Not just North America.

Personally, I don't think the Hamm card is ultimately that rare (I believe S.I. circulation is around 950,000) and as mentioned PSA grading of S.I. for kids is even more inconsistent than their general grading. So that particular price seems way out of line. But women's sports and interest in women's sports is taking off.

The supply for RC's of future HOFers and all-time greats like Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Breanna Stewart, Megan Rapinoe, Serena Williams, Flo-Jo, Simone Biles etc. is very limited compared to what the demand ultimately could end up being.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Was it Me and Bobbie McGee?

Bobby McGee predominates as does Bobbie Sue.

Some folks get their bobbies mixed up and others get their boobies mixed up.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by aro13

The market for baseball cards might be limited to North America and Japan but for sports like basketball where there is a huge global market and hockey, which has a huge European market it is different. Soccer would attract all collecting markets. Not just North America.

Personally, I don't think the Hamm card is ultimately that rare (I believe S.I. circulation is around 950,000) and as mentioned PSA grading of S.I. for kids is even more inconsistent than their general grading. So that particular price seems way out of line. But women's sports and interest in women's sports is taking off.

The supply for RC's of future HOFers and all-time greats like Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Breanna Stewart, Megan Rapinoe, Serena Williams, Flo-Jo, Simone Biles etc. is very limited compared to what the demand ultimately could end up being.

That's my point... traditionally, there are no "markets" for sports cards outside North America, so where did the demand suddenly come from and how did it sprout instantly out of thin air??

With all due respect, it's impossible... common sense says it's investors and speculators.... and almost zero "collectors".

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

That's my point... traditionally, there are no "markets" for sports cards outside North America, so where did the demand suddenly come from and how did it sprout instantly out of thin air??

With all due respect, it's impossible... common sense says it's investors and speculators.... and almost zero "collectors".

It sprouted because people (all around the world) see a Tom Brady card selling for $2 million+, and wonder why there can't also be a liquid market for dominant and recognizable athletes in the worldwide sports arena.

I love the NFL and have almost zero interest in soccer, but to be honest, nobody gives a rat's ass about the NFL, outside the U.S.. It's strictly a regional sport. No more popular around the world then Rugby or Cricket.

.............and also, people outside the U.S., have been producing and collecting an untold number of cards for just as long as we have. They just hadn't com-modified it quite to the level as we have since the 80's.

But as far as pure "collecting" goes....the Brits were preserving their cards in albums and pages pages, pumping out card catalogues, and enjoying them for their aesthetic value, looooonnnng before we were.

It's why lots of 20's and 30's sets from that part of the world can still be found in tip top condition today. The Germans were also huge card producers/collectors.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Fair enough.... but where did the market suddenly come from??

Baseball and other sport cards have been collected primarily in Canada and the US for well over a century, with most male youths exposed to varying degrees at some point. This has allowed "the market" to grow and prosper, with valuation following once demand was created.

There has never been a LARGE market outside North America for sports cards, but all of sudden, countries with absolutely zero history of collecting cards, and people that have never been exposed are feverishly collecting out of thin air? In large numbers?? Really??

What history of collecting is there for soccer or NASCAR cards that people are currently spending huge sums of money on them? They went from almost no value to priceless overnight??
It makes no sense, hence it's NOT primarily collectors, but those just trying to make money off the hobby buying these and inflating the values.... nothing more.

There is no comparison at all in terms of worldwide fan interest between NASCAR and Formula 1. Formula 1 makes NASCAR teams and drivers look like paupers. -- and Lewis Hamilton in particular transcends his sport. Hamilton has over 20 millions followers in Instagram, his own clothing line and his own chain of restaurants. He wanted a $50M salary for this year -- and he got it.

NASCAR in akin to American football in that is it primarily popular in only one country in the world; Formula 1 is akin to soccer in that its appeal is international. Every F1 race draws as many viewers as the NFL's Super Bowl.

Fprmula 1 drivers are superstars in Europe and South America and Asia. Go look at all the $5,000+ Hamilton cards that have sold on eBay just in the short time since the Topps F1 cards have been released. His top autograph cards are well into five figures. His Topps 1/1 cards will be six figures, IMO, if they go to auction. Formula 1 has also been experiencing a surge in U.S. interest due to the Netflix series covering the sport.

There is not any precedent for a mainstream, international Formula 1 set like what Topps has out right now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

There is no comparison at all in terms of worldwide fan interest between NASCAR and Formula 1. Formula 1 makes NASCAR teams and drivers look like paupers. -- and Lewis Hamilton in particular transcends his sport. Hamilton has over 20 millions followers in Instagram, his own clothing line and his own chain of restaurants. He wanted a $50M salary for this year -- and he got it.

NASCAR in akin to American football in that is it primarily popular in only one country in the world; Formula 1 is akin to soccer in that its appeal is international. Every F1 race draws as many viewers as the NFL's Super Bowl.

Fprmula 1 drivers are superstars in Europe and South America and Asia. Go look at all the $5,000+ Hamilton cards that have sold on eBay just in the short time since the Topps F1 cards have been released. His top autograph cards are well into five figures. His Topps 1/1 cards will be well into six figures, IMO, if they go to auction. Formula 1 has also been experiencing a surge in U.S. interest due to the Netflix series covering the sport.

I put a very nice Jackie Stewart rookie on ebay recently and it sold for about 20 dollars, I was expecting much more.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

There is no comparison at all in terms of worldwide fan interest between NASCAR and Formula 1. Formula 1 makes NASCAR teams and drivers look like paupers. -- and Lewis Hamilton in particular transcends his sport. Hamilton has over 20 millions followers in Instagram, his own clothing line and his own chain of restaurants. He wanted a $50M salary for this year -- and he got it.

NASCAR in akin to American football in that is it primarily popular in only one country in the world; Formula 1 is akin to soccer in that its appeal is international. Every F1 race draws as many viewers as the NFL's Super Bowl.

Fprmula 1 drivers are superstars in Europe and South America and Asis. Go look at all the $5,000+ Hamilton cards that have sold on eBay just in the short time since the Topps F1 cards have been released. His top autograph cards are well into five figures. Formula 1 has also been experiencing a surge in U.S. interest due to the Netflix series covering the sport.

Yeah, that's how popular THE SPORT is.... but the collecting of cards traditionally for these sports is non-existent.

All people can say is how popular these sports are, which has always been the case to different people in different parts of the world... but the SPORT card market in any non North American locale has never been popular until now.

Also as mentioned, it's true the English were feverish card producers and collectors, but primarily not of SPORTS cards.... that has never been the case.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Yeah, that's how popular THE SPORT is.... but the collecting of cards traditionally for these sports is non-existent.

All people can say is how popular these sports are, which has always been the case to different people in different parts of the world... but the SPORT card market in any non North American locale has never been popular until now.

Also as mentioned, it's true the English were feverish card producers and collectors, but primarily not of SPORTS cards.... that has never been the case.

You can say it was non-existent (which is not really true), but there has also never been a product marketed and as mainstream as Topps is. Past F1 cards have been smaller releases and very hard to find outside individual countries. Hamilton has several different cards that are all but impossible to find that predate these Topps cards be many years.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I put a very nice Jackie Stewart rookie on ebay recently and it sold for about 20 dollars, I was expecting much more.

Mario Andretti, who can make a serious case as the greatest racer of all time, doesn't attract nearly the prices that current F1 drivers do. Like I wrote earlier, Hamilton transcends his sport in modern times.

As far as retired or deceased drivers go, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher blow away Jackie Stewart in terms of prices.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Mario Andretti, who can make a serious case as the greatest racer of all time, doesn't attract nearly the prices that current F1 drivers do. Like I wrote earlier, Hamilton transcends his sport in modern times.

As far as retired or deceased drivers go, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher blow away Jackie Stewart in terms of prices.

From what I've seen Andretti rookies are fairly pricey?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From what I've seen Andretti rookies are fairly pricey?

His 1969 Panini rookie is fairly pricey (and his 1970 Panini to a lesser extent), but almost all of his other cards are pretty cheap. Even his 1969 Panini seems cheap IMO relative to his place in the sport when you look at what the current Topps F1 cards are going for. Modern F1 drivers are pretty difficult to get autographs from (especially the top drivers), and Mario still signs for free through the mail on all kinds of items.

With this current Topps release, every driver on the roster has autograph cards in the set.

There was no option at all when it came to getting an autographed Michael Schumacher or Ayrton Senna card unless a collector had the foresight and luck decades ago.

[egri]

Isn’t this the same Lewis Hamilton who tried to trademark the name ‘Hamilton’, then sued Hamilton Watch Co. over it?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by egri

Isn’t this the same Lewis Hamilton who tried to trademark the name ‘Hamilton’, then sued Hamilton Watch Co. over it?

Yes.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Also as mentioned, it's true the English were feverish card producers and collectors, but primarily not of SPORTS cards.... that has never been the case.

Sorry man, that's not true at all. They made tons of sports cards. Just not American Sports Cards...........from the Big 4 American Sports anyways. Plenty of Sports Cards of Americans who participated in more International Sports.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sorry man, that's not true at all. They made tons of sports cards. Just not American Sports Cards...........from the Big 4 American Sports anyways. Plenty of Sports Cards of Americans who participated in more International Sports.

One of my favorites.

[Bobbycee]

Hamm was so good, she ruined Garciaparra.