Mia Hamm RC in Goldin Auctions

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

There is no comparison at all in terms of worldwide fan interest between NASCAR and Formula 1. Formula 1 makes NASCAR teams and drivers look like paupers. -- and Lewis Hamilton in particular transcends his sport. Hamilton has over 20 millions followers in Instagram, his own clothing line and his own chain of restaurants. He wanted a $50M salary for this year -- and he got it.

NASCAR in akin to American football in that is it primarily popular in only one country in the world; Formula 1 is akin to soccer in that its appeal is international. Every F1 race draws as many viewers as the NFL's Super Bowl.

Fprmula 1 drivers are superstars in Europe and South America and Asia. Go look at all the $5,000+ Hamilton cards that have sold on eBay just in the short time since the Topps F1 cards have been released. His top autograph cards are well into five figures. His Topps 1/1 cards will be well into six figures, IMO, if they go to auction. Formula 1 has also been experiencing a surge in U.S. interest due to the Netflix series covering the sport.

I put a very nice Jackie Stewart rookie on ebay recently and it sold for about 20 dollars, I was expecting much more.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I put a very nice Jackie Stewart rookie on ebay recently and it sold for about 20 dollars, I was expecting much more.

Mario Andretti, who can make a serious case as the greatest racer of all time, doesn't attract nearly the prices that current F1 drivers do. Like I wrote earlier, Hamilton transcends his sport in modern times.

As far as retired or deceased drivers go, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher blow away Jackie Stewart in terms of prices.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Mario Andretti, who can make a serious case as the greatest racer of all time, doesn't attract nearly the prices that current F1 drivers do. Like I wrote earlier, Hamilton transcends his sport in modern times.

As far as retired or deceased drivers go, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher blow away Jackie Stewart in terms of prices.

From what I've seen Andretti rookies are fairly pricey?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From what I've seen Andretti rookies are fairly pricey?

His 1969 Panini rookie is fairly pricey (and his 1970 Panini to a lesser extent), but almost all of his other cards are pretty cheap. Even his 1969 Panini seems cheap IMO relative to his place in the sport when you look at what the current Topps F1 cards are going for. Modern F1 drivers are pretty difficult to get autographs from (especially the top drivers), and Mario still signs for free through the mail on all kinds of items.

With this current Topps release, every driver on the roster has autograph cards in the set.

There was no option at all when it came to getting an autographed Michael Schumacher or Ayrton Senna card unless a collector had the foresight and luck decades ago.

[egri]

Isn’t this the same Lewis Hamilton who tried to trademark the name ‘Hamilton’, then sued Hamilton Watch Co. over it?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by egri

Isn’t this the same Lewis Hamilton who tried to trademark the name ‘Hamilton’, then sued Hamilton Watch Co. over it?

Yes.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I put a very nice Jackie Stewart rookie on ebay recently and it sold for about 20 dollars, I was expecting much more.

It is interesting what captures collectors imaginations and what doesn't. Sebastian Vettel is a still active 4 time F1 Champ, and nobody seems to care about him. Max Verstappen hasn't won a title yet, and everybody is in love with him. Obvious recency bias. I'd say that even completely unproven drivers like George Russell and Mick Schumacher, elicit more attention then Vettel does.

Niki Lauda is a 3 time champ, has a very compelling story, and was a featured figure in a very well received big budget film. His cards when found, don't sell for much at all.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

It is interesting what captures collectors imaginations and what doesn't. Sebastian Vettel is a still active 4 time F1 Champ, and nobody seems to care about him. Max Verstappen hasn't won a title yet, and everybody is in love with him. Obvious recency bias. I'd say that even completely unproven drivers like George Russell and Mick Schumacher, elicit more attention then Vettel does.

Niki Lauda is a 3 time champ, has a very compelling story, and was a featured figure in a very well received big budget film. His cards when found, don't sell for much at all.

That is an interesting observation about Vettel and Lauda in the hobby.

Verstappen definitely seems to be second behind Hamilton in terms of the Topps prices, with Russell not far behind. I guess that is because the future appears limitless for each of them. Verstappen looks like a good bet to win the WDC this year at age 23 and Russell is seen as a future WDC if he does move to Mercedes. Schumacher also has the pedigree and is an F2 champion.

On a related collector's note, even autograph cards of Nikita Mazepin in the Topps sets have been going dirt cheap. LOL

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

That is an interesting observation about Vettel and Lauda in the hobby.

Verstappen definitely seems to be second behind Hamilton in terms of the Topps prices, with Russell not far behind. I guess that is because the futures appear limitless for each of them. Verstappen looks like a good bet to win the WDC this year at age 23 and Russell is seen as a future WDC if he does move to Mercedes. Schumacher also has the pedigree and is an F2 champion.

On a related collector's note, even autograph cards of Nikita Mazepin in the Topps sets have been going dirt cheap. LOL

Ha Ha, nobody thinks much of Mazepin. Especially his own team-mate, Schumacher.

Mazepin is a cautionary tale of what can go wrong in F1 if you have a backer and too much money.

Sometimes it's not "The Best", that rises into those 20 seats on the course.

Lance Stroll has a similar story, but he at least holds his own as a competent driver.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Stock car drivers may be second class hobby citizens compared to F1, but I can't imagine I will ever like an auto racing card better than this.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Stock car drivers may be second class hobby citizens compared to F1, but I can't imagine I will ever like an auto racing card better than this.

Petty's 1972 STP card, along with all the other STP cards in the set, has exploded in price over the past 12-18 months. That Petty card is up around 1,000 percent over the past year or so.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Stock car drivers may be second class hobby citizens compared to F1, but I can't imagine I will ever like an auto racing card better than this.

That's a cool-ass card.

[Shoeless Moe]

Can this thread be moved to the soccer section, if there is a soccer section.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Ha Ha, nobody thinks much of Mazepin. Especially his own team-mate, Schumacher.

Mazepin is a cautionary tale of what can go wrong in F1 if you have a backer and too much money.

Sometimes it's not "The Best", that rises into those 20 seats on the course.

Lance Stroll has a similar story, but he at least holds his own as a competent driver.

Oh, I am familiar with Mazepin and his back story. LOL. I have been listening to some of the F1 podcasts and the hand wringing about three of the 20 seats in F1 currently filled by sons of billionaires.