Southern League cards (continued)
 

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There are a variety of "card games" you can play with the T206 Southern Leaguer's combined with other tobacco
cards having the same image. For instance, shown here is my whimsical run of Greminger's cards......


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...remingerOM.jpg..........http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...duRedSun25.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LDMILLx25b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uRedSun25b.jpg

And, why not include a brown OLD MILL (with Factory #649 overprint) card of Greminger....... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fact649x25.jpg

OK, I need Greminger's 1910 COUPON card to fill-out this run. If anyone reading this has a T213-1 Greminger for sale, email me.... tedzan11@comcast.net



Another challenge is trying for a "Quadruplicate" subset that includes a 1910 COUPON card of your favorite SL guy from 20 subjects in the Southern Association
of the T213-1 set.

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Ted Breitenstein is my favorite Southern Leaguer in the T206 set. Here's my Quadruplicate sub-set of Ted.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350xCOUPON.jpg
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OK guys, show us your whimsical (or whatever) sub-set(s) of Southern League cards.


TED Z
.

T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards
 

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During the Summer of 1909, American Litho (ALC) printed SWEET CAPORAL 150 Factory #30 cards of many Major Leaguers and shipped them to Factory #30 in NYC.
Simultaneously, ALC started printing their first group (34 subjects) of Southern Leaguers. These cards were printed with brown HINDU backs and were shipped to the
Factory (#649) producing HINDU cigarettes (also SWEET CAPORAL cigarettes).
Furthermore, ALC selected 34 - Major League subjects from the batches of the aforementioned SWEET CAPORAL 150 cards and modified the backs by stamping them
with the "Factory #649" overprint in order to ship them to this new factory.

Circa..Fall of 1909, ALC switched to printing up the OLD MILL backs on the Southern League cards. During this entire process, the usual printer's practice of test runs
between actual press runs resulted in these brown inked OLD MILL (scrap) cards [with the red ink Factory #649 overprint (inverted)]. I don't think any of them found
their way into cigarette packs. Anyhow, to date 13 of them have been confirmed. They are........

Bernhard
Foster
Greminger
Helm
Hooker
Jordan
Kiernan
Mullaney
Paige
Reagan
Revelle
Sid Smith
Thornton


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TED Z
.

Hey guys,

These Southern League brown OLD MILL cards are seldom seen....but if you have one, why not show it to us.


TED Z
.

Hey Ted, I need your help. In reviewing post #30 I noticed that you mentioned the close correlation between the Red Cross type-1 and the Pirate sets. The Red Cross set features a Gabby Street card. I thought that that was a Street Catching pose. But the Pirate set features a Street portrait.

Does that mean that the Red Cross Street card is also the portrait version?

Sean

The T215-1 set includes both Gabby Street cards....Portrait and Catching.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dCross50xb.jpg


TED Z
.

Ted,

I don't have back scans but here are front scans of a Street Catching and Portrait.

Attachment 280659Attachment 280660

Hi Pat

Thanks much for posting these two Street cards.

It's not often that these T215-1 cards are seen.


Thanks again,

TED Z
.

Excellent post! You may want to put the "index" at the start of the thread.

Patrick, is that your Street catching? I only know of one, and it belongs to Richard Masson, so this would be a second example.

Sean, they are not my cards just scans I had.

The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards
 

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..^............... brown LENOX examples ...............^


The timeline of the printing of these Group B subjects with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, LENOX, and UZIT backs was Jan - Feb 1911. This exact timeline coincides with the printing
of the T80 (Military Men) cards. Shown below, the T80 cards were printed with CAIRO MONOPOL, LENOX, OLD MILL, TOLSTOI, and UZIT backs.

To date, 25 brown LENOX cards are confirmed. If my theory proves true, I predict that 11 (or 12) more T206 cards may eventually be discovered with the brown LENOX backs.
Exactly 19 subjects of the 25 brown LENOX cards are from the 350/460 series, and 6 subjects are from the 460-only series......


350/460 series....Group B
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350/460 series subjects confirmed with brown LENOX backs

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Willetts
Willis (bat)


T80 cards
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...HiAdjGen25.jpg
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So, here is my hypothesis: The printer at American Lithographic failed to switch from the brown ink after press runs of T80 CAIRO MONOPOL backs to black ink prior to starting
a press run of T206 LENOX backs. Apparently, this mistake was caught quickly, which would explain why very few T206 brown LENOX examples exist.
Instead of QA discarding these brown LENOX cards, the sheets were factory-cut, and these brown LENOX cards were shipped along with the black LENOX cards to Factory #30.
And, inserted into LENOX cigarette packs.


The 6 brown LENOX cards from the 460-only series are from the same group of 9 subjects that are the only confirmed PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 cards in this series.

460-only series subjects confirmed with brown LENOX backs

Chase (trophy)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
Merkle (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

I expect these 3 subjects from the 460-only series will eventually be found with brown LENOX backs......

Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)


Let's see your brown LENOX cards. If you have these very rare "gems", why not show them. So, please post them here.


TED Z
.

Okay Ted, here's mine:

Attachment 281357 Attachment 281358

Hey Sean

Thanks for posting your brown LENOX.


Will I see you in Chicago next week ?


TED Z
.

Not this year Ted. I was hoping to go, but it didn't work out. Maybe next year, definitely in 2019. :(

Brown LENOX checklist......
 

Listed here (in brown color) are the T206 subjects that have been confirmed with Brown LENOX backs. They are interleaved with subjects (in
black color) that are possible Brown LENOX candidates.

Let's continue this train rolling down the tracks, perhaps we will discover another new Brown LENOX card (or even more). There are 11 more
possible subjects.

Hey guys, take a good close look at your LENOX cards. You may be surprised to find a Brown LENOX hiding in your T206 collection :)


CONFIRMED......26 Brown LENOX subjects. Additional 11 possible Candidates that eventually may be confirmed with Brown LENOX.

Berger

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)

Jennings (two hands)

Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)

Mullin (bat)

Overall (yellow sky)

Pelty (vertical)

Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)

Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)

F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)

Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)

Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)

Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Wiltse (pitching)


TED Z
.

I want to thank Ted for this thread. I've been reading it over the last few evenings and will certainly be referencing it in the future.

The amount of information in this thread and Scot's book just blow my mind. I'm an analytical guy. My occupation is a retail analyst. All of this information is an overload for me. Hopefully, some of it will eventually sink in.

As I mentioned before, there is so much info that I can't seem to get a good, solid grip on it all. One question I had is, on the SLers, are there factory variations as well as the three (or two) brand variations?

Any info is greatly appreciated and thank you for sharing all of this information that you've put together!

-kin

T206 Reference....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc....and, post your T206 story's
 

Hi Kin

I appreciate your kind compliments.


The answer to your question is......

OLD MILL and PIEDMONT are Factory #25.

HINDU is Factory #649.


Kin, it's a complicated set, so feel free to email me regarding any questions you have...... tedzan11@comcast.net



TED Z
.

Thank you so much, Ted. I'm working on the T36 set and in it, each card has a Hassan and Mecca back, and each of those has a Factory 30 and a Factory 649 back. Wasn't sure if that might be the case on these.

-kin

Hi Kin,

Thanks for the nice words.

As Ted says there are just the three brand/factory combos for southern leaguers.

There is a footnote, however. A handful of southern leaguer cards having the Old Mill Southern back were printed in brown ink. These cards are all hand-cut i.e. scrap. Moreover, a couple of these Brown Old Mill Southerns (Greminger comes to mind) weirdly have a red Factory 649 overstrike stamp on them. If you search the Net54 archives you will find an image of the "freak" Greminger Brown Old Mill Southern Factory 649 Overstrike card somewhere.

Scot

Here's a link:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=147870

SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint)
 

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350/460 series subjects


In a conversation with David Hall at the National talking T206's, one topic was regarding the recent find of the 350/460 cards with SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory #30 backs.
These cards were never issued in cigarette packs at Factory #30 (NYC). Instead, American Lithographic overprinted them with the Factory #42 stamp and shipped them to
Factory #42 (Durham, NC).


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It's my understanding that these cards in David's set were originally on a sheet. Unfortunately, the owner of this sheet hand-cut them. Anyhow, I was curious and asked
David to email me a list of them. And, here is David's list......

28 Hand-Cut (Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 cards

Berger, Heinie
Bradley, Bill (With Bat)
Burch, Al (Fielding)
Cobb, Ty (Bat Off Shoulder)
Conroy, Wid (With Bat)
Crawford, Sam (With Bat)
Jennings, Hughie (One Hand Showing)
Jennings, Hughie (Two Hands Showing)
Jordan, Tim (Batting)
Lajoie, Nap (With Bat)
Lake, Joe (St. Louis - No Ball)
Leach, Tommy (Bending Over)
Leifield, Lefty (Batting)
Manning, Rube (Pitching)
McQuillan, George (With Bat)
Mullin, George (With Bat)
Overall, Orval (Hand At Face Level)
Pelty, Barney (Vertical)
Pfeister, Jake (Throwing)
Smith, Frank (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt, Harry (With Bat)
Tinker, Joe (Bat Off Shoulder)
Wagner, Heinie (Bat On Right Shoulder)
White, Doc (Pitching)

Very, very interesting, in that this sheet comprising of these 28 cards coincides exactly with my theory regarding the 28 subjects which I refer to as "Group B" (350/460 series).


Group B (350/460 series)
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TED Z
.

Ted, I believe the Lajoie (batting) was not included in the recent find
of the hand cut cards.

Patrick

Hi Pat

You may be right.

But, Lajoie is on the list David sent me.

So, I'll call him about this.


TED Z
.

Hey Ted, sorry to go off-topic, but I have a timeline question about T214s and T213s. I noticed that the Bresnahan appears as a T213 Type-2 with the Chicago Cubs. He appears as well with the Toledo team, presumably in a later print run of Type-2 Coupons. I've always read that these were printed in 1914. But the T214 Bresnahan, printed in 1915 still lists him with Chicago. Then in 1919 the Coupon Type-3s also show Bresnahan with Toledo.

Does this mean that there was a second print run of Type-2s that was later than the 1915 printing of T214s? You've probably addressed this somewhere before, but I can't find it. Here are the cards that I mentioned:


Attachment 282499

Attachment 282500

Hi Sean

Here's my understanding of the timeline regarding Bresnahan.

In early 1916, Bresnahan purchased the Toledo Mud Hens (American Association). He played for Toledo until 1918.

Therefore, I am not surprised that he is identified with Toledo on a T213-2 card (they were printed 1914 - 1916).
And, of course captioned with Toledo on a T213-3 card (which were printed as late as 1919).

Does this answer help ?


TED Z
.

Yes, that explains it. Bresnahan appears on a T213 Type-2 with Chicago in 1914. He then appears on the Victory, again with Chicago, printed in 1915.

The Type-2 with Bresnahan on Toledo is then printed, apparently in 1916, followed by the Type-3, which was printed in 1919.

I didn't realize that the Type-2s were printed as late as 1916. Thanks again Ted. :)

Pat

David Hall has all 28 subjects on the list (in Post #181) with SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #30 backs (which of course includes Lajoie).

Perhaps, Lajoie was not in the original find; and, he acquired it from another source.


TED Z
.

Hi Kin K.

No, it's not the case on the Southern League T206 cards.

The T36 (Auto Drivers) cards were printed and issued approx. the same time the T201 and T202 BB cards were. The MECCA and HASSAN backs on these BB cards, respectively,
have both the Factory #30 and a Factory #649 backs.

My experience in completing the T201 set (and still working on the T202 set) has been that the Factory #649 backs are more plentiful than the Factory #30 backs.

Is this difference also true for your T36 cards ?


TED Z
.

Ted,

The sample size of cards that I've been able to verify and analyze is very small. Sometimes I can't see the back scans to verify that aspect. In the Huggins & Scott auction that ended this week, there was a complete set but only the fronts were pictured.

What I've found so far is Mecca 30 backs being the most plentiful. The other three brand/factory combinations have similar numbers.

I'm not confident this will hold up, as I've been looking into this for less than two years.

Thanks again for your great, informative thread!

-kin

El Principe de Gales
 

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One of the early and very significant T206 thread was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ?

This thread inspired lot's of brainstorming between Net54ers regarding various aspects of T206 cards. Surveys and new theory's were explored, resulting in 363 posts
which you'll find very interesting and informative.

The El Principe de Gales (EPDG) brand dates back to 1850's. Its founder, Vicente Martínez Ybor, started producing Cigars in Havana, Cuba. In 1869, he fled from Cuba
to Key West, Florida where he continued manufacturing EPDG cigars. In 1885, he moved to Tampa, FL where he built a larger factory which produced his EPDG cigars.

Note that the EPDG cigarettes were manufactured at Factory #17 in Virginia. If any one on this forum knows where this Factory was located, please chime in....Thanx.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...e/aadvepdg.jpg

....http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg



To date, there are 284 confirmed T206 cards with the EPDG back.....they are listed here as a function of their respective T206 series.

150/350 Series................83 subjects

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Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Ball (New York)
Bates
Beaumont
Bender (portrait)
Bergen (bat)
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bresnahan (portrait)
M. Brown (portrait)
Camnitz (arms folded)
Chance (red portrait)
Chase (pink portrait)
Chase (white cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (portrait)
JJ Clarke
Coveleski
Crandall (no cap)

Criger
Dahlen (Boston)
Harry Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Donlin (seated)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolin
Durham
Evers (portrait)
Ewing
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Griffith (portrait)
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Jennings (portrait)
Johnson (portrait)

Tom Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (portrait)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Killian (pitching)
Kling
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (throwing)
Leach (portrait)
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Magee (portrait)
Marquard (hands at side)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Mullin (throwing)
O'Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)

Owen
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schlei (catching)
Seymour (bat)
Shaw (St Louis)
Shipke
Spade
Spencer
Steinfeldt (portrait)
Stovall (portrait)
L Tannehill (Washington)
Tinker (portrait)
Turner
Wagner (bat on left)
Walsh
Weimer

Wilhelm (arms at chest)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (bare hand)

350-only Series................102 subjects

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Abbott
Anderson
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Beck
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Campbell
Casey
Collins (A's)

Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Demmitt (New York)
Dineen
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Easterly
Egan
Evans
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Gasper

Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Hoffman (Providence)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Kelley
Kisinger
Kleinow (catching-NY)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lattimore

Lavender
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McLean
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
Pfeister (seated)
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen

Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Rudolph
Schlafly
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Smith (Buffalo)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Stanage
Stephens
Sweeney (Boston)
Jesse Tannehill
Taylor
Thomas
Titus
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson

Wright
Zimmerman

Six Super-Prints

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Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)

350/460 series................56 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
George Davis (Chicago)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake, St. Louis (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifeld (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)

Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Jeff Sweeney
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)



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460-only Series................37 subjects (COMPLETE)

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand on waist)
Hummel

Lake, St. Louis (ball)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat


This survey is a work in progress....any new EPDG inputs from you guys are greatly appreciated.

Thanx


TED Z
.

Thanks for putting this back on the map......I have a couple of edits for you.

1. Your 460-only Series says 37 subjects, but only 36 are listed. Harry Howell hands at waist is missing from your list.
2. Steinfeldt portrait is in the 150/350 series and you have him listed in both the 150/350 series and the 350/460 series. So I think your count for the 350/460 series should be 56 subjects, not 57.
3. So the total number of subjects from your list would be 284 instead of 285.

Back to the players themselves.

Of the 284 subjects from your list, all but 3 have graded examples in the SGC and PSA pop charts. They are Hunky Shaw, Jim Pastorius, and Ed Willett. For the rest of the subjects, they have a minimum of 3 graded examples. My first instinct is to say they don't exist, but I've been proven wrong in the past. I would love to see an example of these guys, so if anyone has one, lets see them!

I'd also point out the uniqueness of the Elite 11 with EPDG backs which is a fun subject. After having collected EPDGs for the last few years, I would say they are not any tougher to find than a regular EPDG, with a few exceptions. As an example, I've owned 4 different Tom Jones EPDG cards.

Knowing the difficulty finding these subjects with Piedmont 350 backs, I support a theory that the EPDGs were printed before the Piedmont 350's. Pat R, who is awesome, had a great thread about this using print defects in comparing 150/350 subjects.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=231030

I haven't updated my collage in a while, but I'm sitting at 223 unique EPDG's at this point. Here's my first 214.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4432/...d82f2516_z.jpg

Hi Jeff

1st....the grand total of 285 confirmed EPDG subjects is correct......

Cards ..... Series

..83 ........ 150/350
102 ........ 350-only
...6 ......... Super-Prints
..57 ........ 350/460 [if Kleinow (Boston) exists with EPDG)]
..37 ........ 460-only

2nd....I left out Howell in the 460-only series list. Just a hasty typing mistake. This has been corrected.

3rd....There is a question regarding Kleinow (Boston). I have heard this combo exists; however, others say it is a No-Print. What say you ?

4th....I really like your array of EPDG cards, thanks for posting it.

Pastorius, Shaw, and Willett are on my confirmed list (and also on t206 resource's list).

My experience with collecting the Elite 11 regarding both their PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs varies all over the place.

But, Lundgren (Cubs) is definitely a "toughie" with PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs.

Thanks again.


TED Z
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Hey Jeff

1....My 460-only list is correct with 37 subjects. I inadvertently omitted Howell. He is included in this list.

2....Steinfeldt (portrait) in the 350/460 series list was a typo error, which I have removed. It should have been Steinfeldt (bat). This has been corrected.

Therefore, 57 subjects are correct if you accept Kleinow (Boston) as valid. I have some doubts that this subject exists with an EPDG back.

So, I am asking you again....if you know that this front/back combo exists ? ?


TED Z
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I forgot that you have Kleinow Boston in the 350/460 batch due to the Drum 350 find. That was throwing me for a loop in this. ;)

In the simplest terms, I find it unlikely due to the lack of proof that any have been seen or graded. I know that sounds weak but that's the only true real evidence we can go with.

Do we have an idea of when the 460 print runs occurred or the order in which they occurred? If the EPDG print run was early, I could see a scenario where it's possible.....namely the intent to keep the Kleinow NY catching as part of the 460 and then switch over to Boston when the trade occurred, all while the EPDG were being printed for the 460's.

My theory regarding the timeline when the 350/460 subjects were printed with EPDG backs coincides with the Sovereign "apple green" print run (shown here is my simulated
Sovereign sheet)....circa Spring - Summer 1910.

I base this on the following evidence......

Joe Doyle retires from Major League BB June 25, 1910

Simon Nicholls retires from Major League BB April 19, 1910

Red Kleinow traded to Boston May 26, 1910

Frank Smith traded to Boston Aug 11, 1910 [F. Smith(Chicago & Boston) is an EPDG No-Print]

I have removed Red Kleinow (Boston) from my list.

Therefore, the grand total (to date) of EPDG = 284 subjects.



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TED Z
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SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards
 

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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gsSGC60x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
350/460 series subjects


Continuing from Post # 181 ......

In anticipation of the impending divestiture of the American Tobacco Co. (ATC) in 1911, American Lithographic modified their SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 cards
(initial press run) by stamping them with Factory #42 overprints. This was done since the SWEET CAP cigarettes production was being transferred to the Durham, NC plant
of Liggett & Myers.

Factory #42 Durham, NC

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...42ncdurham.jpg


Anyhow, after ATC's divesture was resolved by the Federal Courts (circa..Summer 1911), and the "smoke had finally cleared", ATC had retained SWEET CAPORAL production.
Therefore, all this "overprinting" of 109 -T206 subjects was really unnecessary. Listed below are the 109 subjects that were overprinted.

Check-out the Federal Court's decree break-down (circa 1911)......

American Tobacco Company divestiture

Liggett & Myers was given about 28 % of the cigarette market:

Piedmont
Fatima
American Beauty
Home Run
Imperiales
Coupon
King Bee
Fatima....only 15 Turkish blends
and the cheap straight domestic brands.


P. Lorillard received 15 % of the nation's business:

Helmar
Egyptian Deities
Turkish Trophies
Murad
Mogul
and all straight Turkish brands


American Tobacco retained 37 % of the market:

Sweet Caporal
Hassan
Mecca
Pall Mall....its expensive all-Turkish brand, named for a fashionable London street
in the 18th century where "pall-mall" (a precursor to croquet) was played.


R. J. Reynolds received no cigarette line but was awarded 20 % of the plug trade.



SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #42 overprint......109 subjects

350/460 series................57 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
George Davis (Chicago)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake, St. Louis (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifeld (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)

Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Jeff Sweeney
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)

Six Super-Prints

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)

460-only Series................46 subjects

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bergen (catching)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell

Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...f42ovpt50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tcap42ovpt.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ap42ovpt_1.jpg


TED Z
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Double post.

Regional source of the Elite 11 cards......
 

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We have been on vacation visiting our Daughter and Grandson in Maine. I just noticed Turner's thread.... Georgia Find: 878 T205's and T206's.
Thanks, Turner for posting this thread and all those great images.

This is a significant find. It's the 4th discovery in the surrounding area of Atlanta of an original collection of T206's that include the rare T206's that we refer to as the Elite 11 cards.

Approx. 9 years ago, I acquired a lot of T206's from an Antique dealer in Atlanta. All these cards were from an original collection in a town nearby Atlanta. This collection was strictly
PIEDMONT cards; and, I was pleasantly surprised to find 8 of the Elite 11 cards in this group.

Very recently, another original collection of T206's (all PIEDMONT's) was discovered in the Atlanta area. And, this collection included 7 of the Elite 11 cards.

I have been tracking these rare T206's since 2006, refer to this thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87180 for more info.

It appears that Factory #25 shipped PIEDMONT cigarette packs (containing 1st print run PIEDMONT 350 cards) to Georgia. I say this because some Joe Doyle Nat'l cards have been
found in T206 collections originating in Georgia. The best example being Senator Richard Russell's original T206 collection. It is the first known source of the Elite 11 cards. This set
also includes the Joe Doyle Nat'l card. Russell lived in Winder, Georgia (not far from Atlanta), and he collected Tobacco cards as a teenager during 1909 - 1910.


Elite 11....plus Lundgren
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...indaman12x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Schulte25x.jpg


Although Lundgren (Cubs) was not printed with HINDU, SOVEREIGN, nor SWEET CAPORAL....this card is very similar to the ELITE 11
with respect to the initial 350 press runs of PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs. Therefore, I have included Lundgren in with this group.

Note The Schulte card has not yet been found with an EPDG back.


Hey guys,
I'm open to hearing of any other regions in the country where these Elite 11 cards have been discovered. Please chime in with your information.


TED Z
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Hi Ted,

PSA has a special section in their pop reports for no prints that include the SC350-460/30's. I sent David an email several months ago about three that were missing from the list
which are Conroy (With Bat), Lake (No Ball) and Leach (Bending Over) but I never heard back from him. The next time you speak to him can you ask him to have them update this
list for accuracy to include these three and the Lajoie that he has.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/t206/?by...f=0#NoPrintPop


Attachment 285640
Attachment 285641Attachment 285642
Attachment 285643Attachment 285644
Attachment 285645Attachment 285646

Here is a front/back scan of the Lajoie Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Print". I personally own this card along with the other 27 "No Print" cards. This 28 card "No Print" set follows Ted's "Group B" list exactly!!!
http://www.comicplace.com/net54/lajoiefront.jpghttp://www.comicplace.com/net54/lajoieback.jpg

Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 


* * * * * * T206 Reference....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * *


OK, let's take a break for now from all this "heavy" stuff regarding T206's, and have a Show-n-Tell of your favorite T206 cards in your collection.
Card's condition is immaterial, what can be more interesting is the story behind why certain T206's are your favorites.

I'll start this show with 3 of my sentimental favorites......


Here is my first T206....I acquired this Chase at the Willow Grove Show in Pennsylvania (Spring 1981).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aseblue50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...seblue50xb.jpg




The red Cobb with a SOVEREIGN 460 back is a very tough card to find. It was the last card in completing my SOVEREIGN-Only set of 408 cards.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obbSGCx50b.jpg




Mr. Plank was the last card I needed to complete my SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30-Only set. It's now "complete" with 468 cards (no Wagner).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nkSC150x30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC150x30xb.jpg



Hey guys,
Looking forward to seeing your favorite T206's.


TED Z
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Hey Ted, when I was a kid my first set was the 1965 Topps. My favorite card was Yastrzemski. He was posed as if he was about to catch a fly ball. As an eight year old I didn't realize that it was just a pose. I really thought that the photographer caught him in the act of making a catch.

I noticed that in the T206 set, Mitchell is in a very similar pose, so that is one of my favorites:

Attachment 286000

The Merkle throwing is another favorite, particularly this Brown Lenox, which seems to be a 1 of 1:

Attachment 285997

Attachment 285998

The Cobb bat off shoulder is one of the prettiest cards in the set IMO, and of course its a Cobb:

Attachment 286001

And I'll finish my post with a Plank to keep yours company:

Attachment 285999

Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection 
 

Hey Sean

OK guy, I'll match your Cobb and Merkle......and, I'll raise the ante with my Hal Chase / red HINDU :)


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ffAB460x50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sHand50xbx.jpg




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...kleUZITx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...leUZITx50b.jpg




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx25.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...websize/rh.jpg




Come on guys, let's see your favorite T206's.


TED Z
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Ted, I thought that you sold that Merkle/ Uzit at the 2015 National.

Here's my favorite portrait:

Attachment 286056

I only have blurry scans, but these two might be my favorites.

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Attachment 286061Attachment 286062

I will add my Plank plus two others.

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https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4364/...5f2af050_z.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/...7fae3fe7_z.jpg

Nice Plank. But how come it is only a SGC-40 for such a nice Plank? Paper loss on the back?

Now I want to match Rats' cards:

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The print marks on the face.

Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 

Sean..... The Merkle / UZIT was for display (and discussion)....not for sale.


TEDZ
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Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 

1st on my favorite's list of T206's is the Walter Johnson (portrait).....it's a beautiful image.


PIEDMONT set

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohsonSGC40.jpg



SOVEREIGN set

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnsonPSA4.jpg


SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...weetCap150.jpg



TED Z
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Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 

Thanks guys for posting your favorite T206's.

Another one of my favorite T206's is Frank Delehanty. Here are 4 cards from my Delehanty run representing the "A-B-C-D" connection.
The significance of the A-B-C-D connection (350 series) is read in thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=90139

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg




Furthermore,
American Lithographic continued this A-B-C-D connection into the T205 set. Thirty-two T205 subjects were printed with American Beauty,
Broad Leaf, Cycle, and Drum backs. For more info on this, refer to thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=195845&page=4

Huggins is my favorite of these T205 A-B-C-D sub-sets......

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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uggins25bx.jpg


Still searching for Huggins with a DRUM back. Any help in finding this card is enormously appreciated, and there will be a reward.


TED Z
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Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 

Also, trying for an A-B-C-D Quadruplicate run with the T205 Lobert. Looking for a DRUM card of him.



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..http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50b.jpg. . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50b.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50bx.jpg



TED Z
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There's so many favorites, I wouldn't know where to begin.

Favorite T206
 

Ted, since I was a kid, the Young with Glove has been has been a favorite of mine. When I was about 13, I traded something like a Gooden and Clemens rookie for a Bresnahan w/ bat (Sean C almost has a complete back run), and i was a t206 fan. Later, As a kid, I saw this Cy Young was glove at a card show and thought it was amazing. 10 years later I discovered eBay and started assembling another collection- first card I bought was the t206 cy young with glove. I sold that collection and almost 20 years later I started to collect again and this t206 young w glove was one of my first.

Piggy-backing off my last post, bc of my life-long-love of the t206 Young w/glove, I really enjoy the t206 set, and it's likely a reason I am still collecting. Needless to say, I have become a cy young fan along the way...

My T206 Cobb stories
 

I once bought 2 PSA graded Cobbs - bat on & green portrait - both with Hindu backs from a prominent t206 historian... they both turned out to be rebacked and I got my $ back. I worked 5 mins away from Mastro's when they were in Burr Ridge, IL. I'll always be greatful to Pete Calderon (he was at Mastro's at that time) & to Bill for being completely confident they were rebacked & helping me get my $ back. Again, I stress they were both PSA graded (w # grades, not authentic).

20 some years ago REA auctioned a group of 5 Cobb backs that were found in an old book. I bought 2 of them and sold them shortly after for nice profits. Doh!!!

In the early 90's I was at a show in Ft Washington and came across a red port Cobb with a Red Hindu back. I counted out $3k in cash to buy it but before I handed the dealer the $ my dad (who was w me) talked me out of it saying it was a bad buy... the dealer turned around and auctioned it in Mastro's where it sold for $6600. Some 10 years later I came across it again, but in a PSA 4 slab & the dealer wanted $10k for it. So I agreed to do a deal w a friend, selling my d304 Cobb & Rose PC Cobb to raise cash to buy the Red Hindu. A year or 2 later I sold the Red Hindu in REA.

I used to own a t206 Uzit bat off Cobb. Sold it privately, too soon.

I bought a Drum t206 Red port Cobb off eBay 10 or 15 yrs ago that was in a PRO holder... rolling the dice, I paid $2k. I again visited Mastro's and Bill and another guy there (I forgot his name) were confident it was rebacked... I sold it for $250 to a friend telling him it was rebacked.

My most recent t206 Cobb purchase is the "famous" Lenox back Red Portrait from the incredible & insane BST thread here on Net54. It also was auctioned 2 times in Heritage but not meeting the very high reserves. After I received it I showed the guys at REA (at the National) as well as the SGC booth (and they stood by their initial grade of it). It is my favorite card I own and I won't make the mistake of selling it quickly.

I have more stories including a rebacked Carolina Brights Cobb, Am Beauty Cobb bat off, etc.

Be careful if you're buying a rare back t206. All the rebacked Cobbs I bought were over 10 years ago and prices have exploded since then. A 2nd opinion (or even a 3rd) is a wise move.

Hey Ryan, great Young. It's funny how individual tastes can vary. A few years ago someone started a thread about the strangest looking T206 card, and that Young got a few votes. So did the Evers Blue Sky, which is one of my favorites. Go figure... :D

I think one of the reasons I like the Young w/ glove is how ugly it is - here is likely the best picture of his time, and they have him looking like a fat shlub in an awkward position. I similarly like the M Brown pitching pose, maybe bc he/it is ugly (plus I like you can see the 3 fingers). Evers looks hideous in the blue sky pose. All ugly poses. But man can something ugly look so good sometimes! As an aside, anyone ever think that Joss pitching looks like a young Billy Joel?

Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection
 

Hey guys,

Nice Show-n-Tell posts of your T206's.

Let's continue to post more of your favorite's.


TEDZ
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Another odd thing about that Young Glove Shows card is the "A" on his uniform. It seems to be an early Boston uniform.

Aaron, that's a great story and a great card. And an excuse for me to post mine:

Attachment 287357

Figured I'd continue with a Cobb. Out of the four Cobb's, the Bat Off has always been my favorite. I've just always liked the background colors. Here's my "No Print" Cobb.
http://www.comicplace.com/net54/cobbfront.jpghttp://www.comicplace.com/net54/cobbback.jpg

Hey Ron, I agree with you: the Cobb Bat Off is just about the nicest looking card in the set.

Awesome Cobb Lenox Sean. Cobb bat off is great looking but sometimes Cobb has those dark evil looking eyes. Funny thing is, as much as I like the bat off pose, the evil eye Cobb bat off is one of my least favorite. Similarly, sometimes the lips on the Wajo port are too red/big; I love the Wajo portrait but really don't like when he has super red lips.

What are some others where a feature is sometimes accentuated or distorted?

Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's in your collection 
 

My T206 collection consists of approx. 2200 cards....and, there are just too many favorites.
Such as my best DRUM and LENOX cards.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erfeldDRUM.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...amLENOXx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LENOXx37_1.jpg



And, thanks for posting your favorites....show us some more.


TED Z
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I've always been drawn to over-sized T206's

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10125http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=21947http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10123

Some favorite mid-tier backs

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=22947http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=22646http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=21948http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=18831http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=18880

Nice Matty portrait, and I like the color on that Young. :eek:

Thank you Sean! :)

I love the tinker - great big fat borders. I too love me a fat t206

Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)
 

The Carl Lundgren (Cubs) cards is a favorite of mine for several reasons. Especially, since it was the first T206 subject of which
I completed its back Run (only 3 cards needed). I included the color-error (missing blue ink) of Lundgren to accent this display.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg



TED Z
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Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)
 

* * * * * * * * T206 Reference....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * *

So you have "completed" your T206 set. But, The Monster has you hooked. Just like those classic lyrics in the song Hotel California.........
:) "you can check out any time you like....but, you can never leave" :)

So, you need a new T206 challenge. Try collecting your favorite T206 guy with all his backs. The most awesome T206 sub-set by a Net54
member is Jamie Blundell's red Cobb run. And, there are quite a number of other impressive Runs by Net54er's.

If you want a real challenge, select a subject in the 350/460 Series. These guys were printed with as many as 24 different backs.

Here is my near-complete Chase sub-set.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aseblue50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...seblue50xb.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ep460fac42.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...v350Sov460.jpg
. . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...factory42b.jpg . . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350Sov460b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...42ovPBxTol.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ap350Fac30.jpg

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...2ovPBxTolB.jpg
Fac. #30..................Fac. #42 ................Fac. #42




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg




A - B - C - C - D connection
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uplcate75x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxCOxCYx25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg

Since 1981 (when I initially start my blue Chase run), I have never seen this T206 with a DRUM back. There are 1000's of T206 collectors in the hobby.
It is estimated that there are approx. 2,000,000 - T206's in circulation, so what is the probability that at least one blue Chase DRUM exists ? ?





http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ChaseLENOX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...haseLENOXb.jpg

I acquired this very rare LENOX Chase from a Net54 member in a trade. I've had it for many years. Recently, I traded it to Chris Browne for a red HINDU card.



Show-n-Tell us of your T206 Run(s).


TED Z
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Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)....continued
 

And, my Chase "obsession" expands into the subsequent White-Bordered cards (T213-2, T213-3, T214, T215).



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Buffalo50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lueChase50.jpg

. . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loT213x25b.jpg . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ueChase50b.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ctorychase.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ctorychase.jpg
(reprint)



TED Z
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What a coincidence: just yesterday Jaime asked me to post my Merkle run, and now Ted wants a back run post. So here goes...
The Lenox Brown is one of one;
The Coupon Type-3 Factory 8 overprint is not in the pop reports, so perhaps one of one;
The Pirate is one of two. The other is owned by Richard Masson in his Pirate master set;
The first one that I got was the Uzit on eBay in 2004. The bid was $1,000, so I bid the minimum increase, $1,025. I couldn't believe no one topped my bid. It was a raw card at the time. It was also my first truly rare back.
I bought the Piedmont on eBay when I decided to do a back run. It was a poor card from a poor scan. When it arrived I found that it was a Factory 42. :eek:
I am missing only a T215 Red Cross, so if anyone knows of one......:)
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Tremendous run, Sean. Merkle Throwing is one of my favorite T206 poses; he makes playing first base look easy.

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Thanks David. I'm so glad that you posted. I had forgotten that I have one of those as well:

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Hey Sean

Great Merkle display......thanks for posting them.

I counted 14 different T206 backs for your Merkle run. This appears to me to be Merkle's complete T206 run......Yes or No ?


TED Z
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YES. We've talked about the EPDG being possible, but I don't believe that Merkle was produced with this back.

I am missing the Red Cross Merkle, but that's a Type-2, so not a T206.

Hey Sean

This 460-only series Merkle is an EPDG No-Print. My research indicates that EPDG and PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 are Mutually-Exclusive backs in the 460-only series cards.
And, you have the PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 Merkle.


TED Z
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So I never have to worry about an EPDG showing up. :)