I sold that one to Jantz. Sad to think I won't be seeing him again.[/QUOTE]

Hi Ed,

Yes I remember when he posted it that he said he had bought it off you.

Jantz was one of those few people that you never heard anyone
that had anything bad to say about him. I used to meet up with him at
all the nationals that I went to and I've lost interest in going
this year after hearing about his passing.

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Continuing on the "12 factor" theme. There are also some subtle examples of the "12 factor" regarding the printing of T206 backs in certain Series.
One example that comes to mind is the EPDG cards in the 350 Series. Exactly 108 subjects were printed with the EPDG back. Therefore, creating a
possible sheet which is formatted with 12 cards across by 9 rows down.

350 Series .................... 108 subjects printed with EPDG backs

Abbott
Anderson
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Beck
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Campbell
Casey
Chance (yellow portrait)

Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Demmitt (New York)
Dineen
Joe Doyle (arms over head)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Easterly
Egan
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)

Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Hoffman (Providence)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Kelley
Kisinger

Kleinow (catching-NY)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lattimore
Lavender
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McLean
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes

Oberlin
Pfeister (seated)
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Rudolph
Schlafly
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Smith (Buffalo)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Stanage
Stephens
Sweeney (Boston)
Jesse Tannehill

Taylor
Thomas
Titus
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman


http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...z/aadvepdg.jpg



TED Z
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Thanks for continuing to post all of this great information Ted. It is nice to have a thread at the top of the board that deals with something other than complaining.

Hi Bryan

I appreciate the complimentary words, good buddy.


TED Z
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In post #25 here, I present the A-B-C-D connection. ALC printed these T206 backs during the Summer of 1910. Theoretically, 190 subjects in the 350 Series
were printed with each of these 4 backs. The AMERICAN BEAUTY and CYCLE backs have been confirmed with all 190 subjects. The tougher BROAD LEAF back
has (so far) been confirmed with 177 subjects. And, the rare DRUM back has (so far) been confirmed with 151 (350 Series) subjects.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg


Here's the current list of the 177 subjects which have been confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 350 back:

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)

Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Eddie Collins
Congalton
Cravath
Cree

Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Egan
Engle
Evers (yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher

Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)

Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone

Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)

Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Poland

Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr

Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Hey guys,
Let's see some BROAD LEAF 350 cards. Especially, if you have one that does not appear on this list. I expect that eventually we'll find the 13 missing BL 350 guys.


TED Z
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Hi Ted, I hope all is well.

Totally off-topic, so please forgive me. I notice lately on ebay there are many Brown Hindus and Black Lenox (what is plural of Lenox??), that have paper loss on the back from where it seems the cards we glued to an album. My gut is that many of these cards must have come from the same collection, because its just too coincidental that this many of these backs are around at the same time, all with back damage. So, two questions:

1. Was there ever a large find of Broen Hindus or Black Lenox that all had back damage?

2. Were Brown Hindus and Black Lenox only released in certain parts of the country (like I think Drum and Nadja (in e cards) was St. Louis?

#1......Most LENOX cards that I have, or have seen, don't have back damage.
Brown HIMDU cards occasionally are found with back damage. Shown here is
the last remaining one I have from a lot of brown HINDU's with back damage
that I picked up some years ago.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...induShawBk.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nHinduShaw.jpg



#2.....Factory #30 in New York manufactured the LENOX brand. LENOX brand
tobacco products were mainly marketed in the New York area & New England.


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Continuing on with the BROAD LEAF 350 (BL 350) theme....certain T206's with BL 350 backs are extremely rare. Much more rare than
a good majority of the T206's with the BL 350 backs. An excellent example of this is my blue Chase BL 350 card. I traded for this card
in 1990 with my old buddy, Ralph. Ralph was great at finding rare T206 front/back combos in his neck of the woods (the Great Smoky
Mountains region).

This BL 350 blue Chase card was the only known one for many years. It's my understanding that another one was recently discovered.
Although, I have not seen it yet. Furthermore, PSA and SGC pop reports do not indicate any blue Chase / BL 350 cards graded.


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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxCOxCYx25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg

If a DRUM card of Mr. Chase ever shows up, I will have a chance to complete this A-B-C-C-D sub-set.


The following 13 subjects have yet to be confirmed with BL 350 backs. I expect these cards will eventually be discovered.

Atz
Brashear
Carr
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Easterly
Ferguson
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGann
Pickering
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Stephens


So, come on guys, show-off your BL 350 cards. And perhaps, some one on this forum may come up with one of these missing 13 guys.



TED Z
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Here are Two Blue Chase Broad Leaf 350's that are graded
by PSA Ted.

Attachment 318482

Attachment 318483

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image.../abbott-bl-350

Abbott is #1 -------------alphabetically at least.

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Hey Frank

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Abbott.....thanks for posting.

Excuse me for correcting you, but #1 is actually Abbaticchio.




Hi Pat
Thanks for posting the BROAD LEAF 350 blue Chase cards.

But, I don't see these two cards listed in the PSA pop report data ? ?



TED Z
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My sole BL 350; it now resides in an SGC 55 case.

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Hi Ryan

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Evers.

and,

I'll add to these 2 guys to our gallery of BROAD LEAF 350 cards......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ghtMullenA.jpg

. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ghtMullenB.jpg


TED Z
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Here is my only Broadleaf.

Hey Frank

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Abbott.....thanks for posting.

Excuse me for correcting you, but #1 is actually Abbaticchio.

Well Ted, on your list of 177 possibles Abbott is #1. Mr. Abbaticchio is not on the

list.:p:D

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Frank, good buddy, you are absolutely correct.

Don't mind me....it's been a long day :)


TED Z
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I recently found a Frank Chance portrait yellow Broad Leaf 350 in a collection purchased. It is at PSA right now. Grade should have popped already, still waiting. PSA pop report shows only 1 ever graded.

Hi Ted,

They're in the pop reports maybe it's whatever browser you're using.

Attachment 318618

Hi Pat

Thanks for the current PSA pop report data.

I guess I've been clicking on an old PSA link.

Please email me the PSA link you are using.

tedzan11@comcast.net

Thanks again,


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

rats60

Good looking BROAD LEAF 350 Kruger....thanks for posting it.


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Just a friendly bump, showing off another BL 350 of mine. So, let's see some more of your BL 350 cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...oadleaf350.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mshawbl350.jpg


TED Z
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I don't know why these came out different sizes: :confused:


Attachment 318670 Attachment 318671

Beautiful Broad Leafs guys. Love that Mullen!

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Just posting my McGinley in order to pop this to the top of the Net54 page.
And perhaps, we'll have some more members of this forum displaying their
BROAD LEAF 350 cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7.../amcginley.jpg


TED Z
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No front pic

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

MR RAREBACK

Can you show the fronts of those nine BROAD LEAF 350 cards ?

Or, at least tell us which T206's these 9 cards are ?

Thanks,


TED Z
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don't know off hand will have to get back to you

BL
 

A few

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Hey guys

It's important to show the fronts of your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....or, at least tell us which T206 guys are their fronts.

Recall, that we are also interested in finding any of the missing 13 guys that would complete this 190 card run.

Listed here are the missing 13 subjects we are looking to find with BROAD LEAF 350 backs......

Atz
Brashear
Carr
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Easterly
Ferguson
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGann
Pickering
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Stephens

Well, having said all this....show us some more of your BROAD LEAF 350 cards.

Thanks,

TED Z
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Long time reader, first time poster

I'm in no way well versed on the t206 set though I have been collecting it for a few years(monster number around 400 or so) and a little while back I wanted to add more disappointment to my life and began a Tolstoi sub set which I am about 70 cards into.....and one thing I have noticed is out of those 70 cards roughly 50 of them have the ghost image of the Tolstoi back showing on the front of the card, far more rate of occurrence than other backs it's seems and it made me wonder....why?

What was different....did they use a different ink that dried slower? Did the guy that moved the sheets just not care about his job anymore? Was the ink used similar to newspaper ink and possibly a collector stacked them together in a humid area and it led to the ink bleeding onto the card behind it, a wet transfer but in an attic? Am I just imagining this whole thing?

I have noticed I have zero ghost images on any card with a red background.

3 1 40701092 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Broad Leaf 350 Frank Chance Portrait-Yellow

Grade just posted, only the 2nd PSA card graded. Small light spot on back that has paper loss, otherwise looks like 4+

https://image.ibb.co/kmxN9S/rsz_2998...20950448_o.jpg

GreetiNs to ya Kind Sir!,

I do believe that is you started a NeW Thread Wit this as a Topic...
"TOLSTOI BLACK INK QUESTION"

or one to your more liking :)
The T206 Gents Will Arise to the Occasion!!!

I do have an Opinion...
Howevar, as they have said ~"When iN Rome"

Good Day to Ya!

Hi Dpoolem3

Welcome to the club.

Stacking these 108 year old cards together in a humid area (attic or otherwise) would not result in the ink bleeding onto the card behind it.

Would you mind listing these 50 cards in your collection that have this wet-ink "Tolstoi" transfer image on their fronts ?

I have an idea of how this occurred and I'm looking for a pattern in these cards that may tell us why.


TED Z
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Having a yard sale this morning, as soon as I'm done I will get them out of the safe and post a list of each card and either yes or no in regards to the wst. Realistically it's going to be about half and half probably. I also have 2 Tolstoi's that I bought from separate people that were in the same box at one point because both have a water stain in the exact same area like they were stored upright and water got into whatever they were in and stained both cards(of the same player) in the exact same spot. Be after lunch but I'll have the list posted up by then.

Just in the door...


https://image.ibb.co/cWURPd/Inkedimg272_LI_50.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/cZ3BPd/rsz_inkedimg273_li.jpg

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Double post.

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Great looking card, Tom. Thanks for posting it.


TED Z
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Here are most of mine:

Hi Dpoolem3

When you get a chance, could you provide a list of only the wet-ink "Tolstoi" transfer cards you have.

It's not necessary to list all your Tolstoi cards.


Thanks,

TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards
 

Hi Luke

Thanks for posting your BROAD LEAF cards.

I like the Willett....I'm doing an A-B-C-C-D run of his cards.


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE, Reflections....comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's
 

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Due to their very close affiliation, I refer to these 350 Series T206's as the A-B-C-D connection


Time to switch off to a side-track in order to compare similar printing patterns between the T206 & T205 sets. In the Summer of 1910, American Lithographic (ALC)
introduced a new set of T-brands (AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, and DRUM). My research shows that ALC printed 190 subjects from the 350 series with
each of these 4 backs. I like the similar stylistic design of these backs, and I refer to this pattern as the "A-B-C-D connection". For more info check-out thread......
T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"


In 1911, when ALC was producing the T205 cards, they repeated the A-B-C-D connection for 32 subjects in this set. More info regarding this, check-out this theory
presented on this forum in a November 2014 thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......


T205 A=B=C=D pattern

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg

The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...05Drum25xb.jpg


Hey guys,
If perhaps you may have any one of these 5 missing DRUM cards....please by all means chime in here. Especially, if you have Huggins or Lobert.



Furthermore, after completing my 209-card T205 set [including the Hoblitzell (no stats)]......I continued my T205 "hunt" by forming these A-B-C-D sub-sets.
Here is an example of my favorite......


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Huggins25x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uggins25bx.jpg



TED Z
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Lake no ball Y
Ball Y
Elberfield Y
J Collins N
H Smith N
Camnitz arm side N
Krause N
Davidson N
Ames hands above head N
Chance yellow N
Cobb red N
Rucker N
Doyle w bat Y
Sheckard glove show Y
McQuillan Y
Devore Y
Magee N
Rucker N
Milan Y
Pelty vertical Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Bergen catching Y
Shannon N
Manning pitching N
Campell N
O'Leary hands knees Y
Wiltse pitching N
Rudolph N
Pfeffer Y
Overall Y
Needham N
Stovall bat Y
Sheckard N
Ferguson N
Ferguson N
Stahl N
Donlin N
McIntyre N
Street N
Street N
Dygert N
Huggins Y
Pfeffer N
O'Leary knees N
Lord N
Perring Y
Ford N
Geyer Y
Reulbach Y
Ames N

So like I said..I have 20 wst out of my 50 Tolstois...meh close enough for government work.

How does Tolstoi compare to other brands as far as wst's, seem more common with Tolstoi.

Hi Dpoolem3

Here's the break-down of your YES cards with respect to the series they were printed in.

I was looking for a consistent series pattern to explain your Tolstoi wet ink transfers.
And, there really doesn't appear to be a pattern.

350-only series
-----------------
Huggins
Milan
Perring

350/460 series
-----------------
Doyle w bat Y
Elberfield Y
Lake no ball Y
McQuillan Y
O'Leary hands knees Y
Overall Y (yellow sky) ........ ?
Pelty vertical Y
Reulbach Y

460-only series
-----------------
Ball
Bergen catching Y
Devore Y
Geyer Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Overall (blue sky) .............. ?
Pfeffer Y
Sheckard glove show Y
Stovall bat Y

By the way, which Overall card do you have listed ? ?


TED Z
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Hands at waist level

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.. v ................................ 19" x 24" standard size sheet ...................................v
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...96cards38x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpg
.... Simulated sheet of the T206 "Exclusive 12" subjects in the 460-only series


I refer to the Minor Leaguers as the Exclusive 12 of the T205 set. As is obvious, their front designs differ considerably from the Major League subjects in the T205 set.
These cards were printed at the tail-end of the T205 production run in the Fall/Winter of 1911. This timeline is evident from the bio descriptions on the backs of these
cards. And, they were printed with only two T-brand advertisements on their backs....either HASSAN or POLAR BEAR.

Illustrated here is my concept of a printed sheet of 96 cards which fit on a 19" x 24" standard size cardboard sheet of that era.

T205 Minor Leaguers (12 subjects)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...neecadfriX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...merphecolX.jpg




TED Z
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Ted,

That T205 Minor League concept sheet is eye candy for sure man!

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, etc....comparable printing patterns in T205's
 

Hi Andy

Love your avatar....brings back memories of the grand ole Ft. Washington Show days when we first met.

If I recall correctly, on the front of the HINDU card is Doc Powers.

Take care,


TED Z
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Good memory Ted. Wow. You're right about Powers. And I still think you gave me a heck of a deal on that Hindu.

AndyH

Only copy I have ever seen of this Ted.

https://i.imgur.com/6Kzjayr.jpg

That is exactly the mis-cut Chance/Cobb I referred to in Post #398.

Thanks Chris for posting it.

Will we see you at the National in Cleveland ?



TED Z
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Unfortunately not this year Ted, but I am really hoping for the next one in Chicago. :(

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, etc....comparable printing patterns in T205's
 

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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITxSGC30xx.jpg
... Sweet Caporal ..... Sovereign .......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign .......... UZIT ..........



This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 12 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman
so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)].

POST #1......So, we'll start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206
An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series.

One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ?
This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363
meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, it was "the start of of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Claude Raines to Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca).

In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start
in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set

Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle
"error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11


Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the
theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints.

So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here.

And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________

INDEX (updated)

Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006-2007) for starters.


Click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted


Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints"

Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards)

Post #5......350/460 series backs identified

Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards

Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery

Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection

Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded

Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set

Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back

Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb

Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection

Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series)

Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects

Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's

Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set

Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story

Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story

Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure

Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's !

Post #93.....T206 "Proofs"

Post #96.....UZIT checklist

Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins

Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911)

Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist

Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman

Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist

Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist

Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ?

Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards

Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards

Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards

Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued)

Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards

Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards

Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint)

Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards

Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards

Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards

Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's

Posts #231 >> 234.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Posts #242 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Post #262.....T206 Southern League cards (re-visited)

Posts #263 >> 270.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #271 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards

Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards

Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects......

Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist

Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005

Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey

Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure

Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

Posts #441 >> 451.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's

Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set

Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set

Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set

Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set

Posts #476 >> 477.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set


In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors.
However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net
In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s).


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, etc......Guess the price of a near complete T206 set
 

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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fdBaker12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yFoster11x.jpg


Searching all the way back to 2001 on Net54, you will find some interesting threads on acquisitions of "near complete" T206 sets. For example, check-out this one..... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=76778 .....What price this set was purchased for back in 2005 is anyone's guess.

Anyway, in 2004, I acquired a 521-card set which also included 32 different T206 backs. Condition of the cards were 80% Ex, 20% Vg-Ex, and the Magie was Vg.

So how much did I pay for this set in 2004 ? Hey guys, I leave it up to you to guess what I paid for this set ? ?

I will tell you the $$$$$ cost after I receive some guesses.


Here's the green Cobb from this set. The majority of the stars were in similar condition as this Cobb (but better centered). Most PIEDMONT 150 green Cobb's are off-center
as this one is.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...iedmont150.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edmont150b.jpg




Stay tuned for the sale price of a T206 "near complete" 521-card set in 1997.


TED Z
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Wild guess...$18,000

Brian

$25,000 just a guess

It’s amazing since I started collecting in Jan of 2017 to now.I use to be able to get nicely graded 3s for high 20s/low $30s with shipping now for the most part it’s 35/40 easy.

It’s disgusting to think what I could have been picking up 10 or 15 years ago instead of what I did.

I'm gonna say $13,500.
I bought a mid-grade 520 set in 2008 for $16K plus 15% vig.

2004 or 1997?

I have not discussed the 1997 set yet. As I alluded to, it will be in a forthcoming post.

So, why you are asking.... " 2004 or 1997? "


TED Z
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Ted - I am going to say $9,503.34

thanks guy

I've been putting a raw PR-G-VG-EX T206 set together from 2008-present. Currently at 512. Cost me roughly $40,000 so far. I have all 4 Cobbs, the Demmit and O'Hara, 2 signed Larry Doyles, a NY Joe Doyle partial NY, all the Southern Leaguers, etc. The remaining 8 or so are all readily available. I would be willing to bet that if you started today, the cost would be $50,000+

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fdBaker12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yFoster11x.jpg


Brian....Rob....riggs336....Felipe....Brendan

I appreciate your responses and I will comment on them after I post this set here which I sold in 1997.


I started collecting T206 cards in 1981. And by the 1990's, I had put together a 521-card set. The overall grading of this set was Vg-Ex. The Demmitt and O'Hara were both Vg.
Also a Vg Magie, and it included 5 cards of Ty Cobb....green Cobb, Bat on, Bat off, red Cobb, and an Orange (red) Cobb.

So how much did I sell this set for in 1997 ? Once again, I leave it up to you to guess what this set sold for ? ?

I will reveal the $$$$$ amounts for my purchase in 2004 and this sale in 1997 in a subsequent post. Then we can compare our numbers here.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cobb460x50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PinlWillis.jpg



TED Z
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I will say you sold it for about $22,000

I was probably high in my last guess, so I’ll guess you sold this for $12,500 in 1997.

2004 - bought for $14,000
1997 - sold for $8,000

1997 sold for $9,000 (I previously guessed 2004 purchase price of $18,000).

Brian

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, etc......Guess the price of a near complete T206 set
 

Purchase price of my T206 set (521 cards) in 2004 guesses.....


Brian
Rob

riggs

Felipe
Brendan


Here is a sampling of some of some of the cards in this set......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohsonSGC40.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...OLDMILLx50.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITWiltse50.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...chWheat50x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erfeldDRUM.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...hWheat50xb.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpg



Thanks guys for participating in this game. And, I wish I would have acquired this set in 2004 for any of your guesstimates. This T206 set cost me quite a bit of $$$$$.....$40,000.
Anyhow, the consolation prize was getting the 32 different T-brands.



Stay tuned for the sale of the 1997 set.


TED Z
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REFERENCE....Reflections, etc......Guess the price of a near complete T206 set
 

Guesses on the SOLD price of my T206 set (521 cards) in 1997.....


Brendan
Rob
Carl
Brian


Thanks guys for participating in this game. I like Brendan's guess. Unfortunately, I sold 520 cards from this set for $16,000. And, I sold the Magie separately for $2000.


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign460x14.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
These six are examples of some of my nicer SOVEREIGN cards


OK, let's play this game again.... If I were to sell my complete all-SOVEREIGN set (402 cards), what price would you guess it would sell for ?

This set's overall condition averages Vg-Ex, with some of the stars being Ex.....see examples shown above and below.

Exactly 122 subjects in the basic 524 card T206 set were NOT printed with SOVEREIGN backs (Wagner, Plank, Lundgren, Demmitt, O'Hara,
Magie, Joe Doyle error, the 48 Southern Leaguers, etc.)


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign150.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnsonPSA4.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cematty25x.jpg




TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE....Reflections.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign460x14.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
These six T206's are samples of some of my nicer SOVEREIGN cards


I consider that a true complete SOVEREIGN set includes the Six Super Prints **......with the Sovereign 460 backs. Thus, my Sovereign set is actually complete with 408 cards.

During the Sovereign press runs, American Litho (ALC) introduced an intermediate series into the T206 set....the 350/460 series. ALC selected 6 subjects from the 350 series;
and, printed them with Sovereign 460 backs during the press runs of the Sovereign 460-only series.

FYI.... that the Sovereign 460 versions of these 6 subjects are considerably tougher to find relative to the regular 46 subjects in the 460-only series.


So guys, try guessing the selling price of this set with 402 cards......or, with 408 cards ?
Trust me, these 6 super-prints (with the Sovereign 460 back) go for "Big $$$$". Especially the red Cobb, which appears to be much tougher than the other 5 cards.


Shown here are these Six Super Prints with their SOVERIGN 350 backs and their SOVEREIGN 460 backs......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obbSGCx50b.jpg

. . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...RedCobb25x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ign350x25b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cematty25x.jpg............http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...verssov460.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ematty25xy.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...verssov460.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...luechasedk.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...asedkcap_1.jpg



** Note.. Scot Reader's excellent research revealed that these 6 subjects were printed in larger quantities, and with more Tobacco brands than any of the other subjects
in the T206 set. In his book titled "Inside T206", Scot identifies these 6 guys as the " Super-Prints ".



TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lCYoung12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg
Sample star cards in this PIEDMONT set...........


OK, so no one is interested in playing the "guessing game" with the SOVEREIGN set. I can understand that, as the SOVEREIGN set is complicated with all it's No-Prints.

So, how's about trying to guess what price my PIEDMONT set would sell for ? It's straight forward, as all 519 cards (includes MAGIE) in this set have PIEDMONT backs.
No Wagner, Plank, or Joe Doyle NY Nat'l. No Demmitt or O'Hara St Louis variations (printed only with POLAR BEAR backs). This set's condition ranges from Vg to Ex.

I look forward to your guesses....be reasonable with them :)

And, have a great time at the National this week......and, find some time to check-out the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame Museum near Lake Erie.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ackjohnson.jpg


Sample star cards......
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...iedmont150.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...MONT460x50.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mont150x12.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edmont150b.jpg..http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460%20x50b.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edmont150b.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...50xP460x50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb50xx.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xP460x50b.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...redCobb50x.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohsonSGC40.jpg



TED Z
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$50,000

T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set
 

Hi Brendan

Sounds like a reasonable selling price. I like those numbers.

Thanks for posting your guess.


TED
.

I'll go a bit higher... $63,000

T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set
 

Hi Brian

Your guess is quite reasonable.

Thanks for posting your guess.


TED
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T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350x460x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ardP350x11.jpg


Last, but not least......If I were to sell my "complete" SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set....what do you think it would sell for ?

Actually, a complete SC f#30 set comprises of 469 cards. The following lists the 55 subjects which were never issued with the SC f#30 back............
524 - [Joe Doyle Nat'L, Kleinow (Boston), Lundgren (Cubs), Magie, Smith (Chi & Bos), Demmitt & O'Hara (St Louis vars.), Southern Leaguers (48)] = 469

Now, I consider my set "complete" with 468 cards, because I will never have the Wagner card. The cards in this set range from Vg to Ex.

So, I look forward your guesses as to what I can expect if I sell this set ? ? Please be reasonable with your estimates :)


And, have a great National this week. I hope to see you all in Chicago next year.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...30xNYpackX.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...kSC150x30x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...150F30x50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tory30xx12.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tcap42ovpt.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cfactory30.jpg


TED
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T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350x460x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ardP350x11.jpg



The majority of the cards in this SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set are in plastic pages in an album. Only about a dozen cards are graded. The cards in this
set range from Vg to Ex....and, of course the Eddie Plank card is graded an "A".

If I were to sell any of my T206 sets, this one would be the set I'd sell. So, come on guys, I'm waiting for some of your guesses on the selling price of this one.


Here's a page from the album displaying some of this set's stars. Followed by back scans of their respective Series......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cap30stars.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cap30stars.jpg



TED Z
.

$82,000

T206 REFERENCE, Reflections.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set
 

WOW !

Brendan, that's some big $$$$$.

Very tempting to sell this set, if I was offered that amount.

Thanks for posting.


TED Z
.

T206 Reference / Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc......INDEX
 

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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITxSGC30xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpg

... Sweet Caporal ..... Sovereign ......... Piedmont ____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards______ UZIT .............. Sovereign ... American Beauty



This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman
so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)].

Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206
An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series.

One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ?
This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363
meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, it was "the start of of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Claude Raines to Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca).

In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start
in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set

Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle
"error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11


Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the
theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints.

So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here.

And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________

INDEX

Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters.


Click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted


Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints"

Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards)

Post #5......350/460 series backs identified

Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards

Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery

Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection

Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded

Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set

Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back

Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb

Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection

Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series)

Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects

Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's

Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set

Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story

Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story

Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure

Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's !

Post #93.....T206 "Proofs"

Post #96.....UZIT checklist

Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins

Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911)

Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist

Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman

Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist

Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist

Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ?

Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards

Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards

Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards

Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued)

Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards

Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards

Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint)

Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards

Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards

Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards

Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's

Posts #231 >> 234.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Posts #242 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s)

Post #262.....T206 Southern League cards (re-visited)

Posts #263 >> 270.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #271 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's

Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards

Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards

Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects......

Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist

Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005

Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey

Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206

Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure

Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns in T205's

Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set

Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set

Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set

Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set

Posts #481 >> 490.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds"


In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors.
However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net
In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s).


TED Z
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