Ted,
Great story. Joe was a character. We had some good laughs on the phone before he passed. He was super friendly one-on-one. And, he had the ONLY copy of Schulte (Front View) Piedmont 350 in existence! (As you know he also had the Doyle Error). For years, Joe kept insisting on our calls that he had a copy of the then unconfirmed Schulte (Front View) with Piedmont 350 but could not figure out how to send me a scan! I believed he had the card, but was blown-away that he didn't have a scanner (or at least couldn't figure out how to use it). He was old school -- which is actually endearing considering we are talking about old baseball cards that are cherished across generations. Good stuff. Scot Quote:
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T206 Plank mystery
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign150x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mont150x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ign460x209.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg T206 Plank has been a mystery for 108 years. In Dec 2006, after a lot of research, my "wild imagination" formed a theory for this card's scarcity..... T206 Plank theory It was a popular thread with 113 responses; and, it is somewhat intricate. But I think you'll find it quite interesting. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nkSC150x30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC150x30xb.jpg I waited a long time to acquire this Plank, simply because I wanted one whose back was a SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #30.....in order to complete my all--Sweet Cap, Factory #30 set. The majority of the Plank cards have Sweet Cap 350 backs. OK, Plank's card is really no mystery in my mind anymore, since I read Connie Mack's response to a Philadelphia sports writer circa 1910..... "The secret of Plank's pitching is no secret at all. It is a good strong arm, a powerful constitution to back it, and neither drinks, smokes, chews tobacco, nor swears...." ** Eddie Plank most likely informed ATC that he did not want his image portrayed on Tobacco cards. Being the low-keyed guy that he was, he didn't "hype" it up like Wagner did. Let's hear your thoughts on this subject ? ** "Connie Mack", by Norman Macht TED Z . |
Hi Scot
One of Joe's early squabbles with me was over the Schulte card. It wasn't that I questioned whether he had this card, I simply told him it was either a "scrap", or an anomaly. Also, I noted that if an EPDG card of Schulte were to appear, then I would be convinced that it was a legitimate issue. Well, we have yet to see an EPDG card. TED Z . |
It's hard to say whether the card is scrap. Looking at the card it is difficult to tell. And there are other unique front/back combos in T206. Heck, there are only two or three confirmed copies of Spencer with Piedmont 350 (although I recognize he exists with EPDG). I remain agnostic on Schulte 350's "scrapness."
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap11xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign460x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mont350x13.jpg In 2008, a thread regarding an interesting 350-only series design that I refer to as the "A-B-C-D connection"...... T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection" Here are the 4 new Tobacco brands introduced during the printing of the 350-only Series....circa Spring / Summer 1910. The American Lithographic Co. artist designed the backs of the AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, and DRUM having identical stylized FRAME and lettering. American Litho printed 190 subjects (listed here) to fill out the 350-only series (as confirmed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 and CYCLE 350 cards). Currently, the scarcer BROAD LEAF 350 and DRUM cards fall short of this 190 intended design by 13 subjects, and 65 subjects, respectively. More new BROAD LEAF 350 and DRUM cards have surfaced in recent years, and will continue to be discovered in the future. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7.../ABCDxT206.jpg The 190 subjects included in this series of these four T-brands Abbott Abstein Adkins Anderson Arellanes Armbruster Arndt Atz Barbeau Barry (A's) Barry (Milwaukee) Batch Beck Becker Beckley Bender (trees) Bescher (portrait) Blackburne Bliss Brain Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Burchell Burke Burns Bush Butler Campbell Carr Carrigan Casey Cassidy Chance (portrait-yellow) Chappelle Charles Chase (portrait-blue) Chase (dark cap) Clancy Clark Clymer Cobb (portrait-red) Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Davidson Delehanty (Louisville) Dessau Dineen Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Dorner Downey (fielding) Downs Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Dygert Easterly Egan Engle Evers (bat-yellow sky) Ferguson Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Fletcher Freeman Fromme Ganzel Gasper Graham (Boston) Graham (St Louis) Grimshaw Hall Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hayden Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hoffman (Providence) Hoffman (St Louis) Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands at mouth) Hulswitt Hunter Jackson Jones (Detroit) Kelley Killian (portrait) Kisinger Knabe Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Krause (pitching) Kroh Kruger Laporte Lattimore Lavender Lennox Livingstone Lord Maddox Malarkey Maloney Marquard (portrait) Marshall Mathewson (dark cap) McAleese McBride McCormick Mc Elveen McGann McGinley McGinnity McGlynn McIntyre (Detroit) Merritt Milan Miller (Pittsburg) Milligan Mitchell (Cinci) Mitchell (Toronto) Moeller Moran (Chicago) Moran (Providence) Moriarty Mullin (portrait) Murray (bat) Myers (bat) Myers (fielding) Nattress Oakes Oberlin O'Brien O'Neill Paskert Perring Pfeister (seated) Phelan Phelps Phillippe Pickering Poland Purtell Quillen Quinn Randall Raymond Rhoades (hands at chest) Rhodes Ritter Rudolph Schirm Schlafly Schmidt (portrait) Schreck Scott Sharpe Shaw (Providence) Slagle Smith (Buffalo) Snodgrass (bat) Speaker Stanage Starr Stephens Strang Street (portrait) Summers Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thielmann Thomas Titus Unglaub Warhop White (Buffalo) Willett Wilson Wright Irv Young Zimmerman Here's my Frank Delehanty A-B-C-D connection......these are tough sub-sets to complete......so, let's see yours ? http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg Stay tuned....the next post here will expand on this sub-set. TED Z . |
T206 Reference.....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc....and, let's get your inputs
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Posted By: William Heitman This is Bill Heitman. Most, if not all, of the errors referred to were caught within about a year of publication of The Monster. They were all errors made by the publisher that I didn't catch in proofing the book. He also added the Farrah pictures without my knowledge. But, Denny was a great friend, and I let that slide. My original working checklist does not have these "errors". I notified everyone via articles in Trader Speaks of the publishing errors. Incidently, I have probably had in excess of 1,000,000 T206s in my possession. My collection was able to fill about 4800 spots on my working checklist. Also--thanks for the compliments. Bill |
1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onsterBook.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rahFawcett.jpg This pamphlet size book by Bill Heitman started it all for many of us BB card collectors in the early 1980's. T206 cards were "hot" at the famous Willow Grove Show in Pennsylvania in 1981. It is where and when I became "addicted" to collecting these gems. A T206 Vg-Ex common sold for only $2. And, a green or red Cobb sold for only $15 - $20, each. Furthermore, if you were lucky to find a dealer at the Show selling a DRUM....you could get it for a mere $100. Incidentally, Dennis Eckes was the publisher of Jim Beckett's BB Card Price Guide (1st edition, 1979). Dennis published Bill Heitman's 32-page book "T206 The Monster" in 1980. Dennis was fascinated with Farrah Fawcett. So what guy wasn't when she appeared on the scene in the late 1970's. Dennis included 6 poses of Farrah in Bill's book. TED Z . |
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