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Old 12-19-2006, 04:22 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The scarcity regarding the T206 cards of Honus Wagner, Magie, and the Joe Doyle error are understood.

But, the Eddie Plank card's scarcity remains a mystery. I have a theory that suggests that Plank's T206 card
was withdrawn due to his commitment to the Philadelphia based American Caramel Co. In my opinion, the
E90-1 set was issued in 1908....1 yr before the T206 set. The Cobb (rf pos.) and the CYoung (Boston Amer.)
cards in the E90-1 set's 1st Series are evidence of this. Info on other player's 1st series cards reinforce
this 1908 date, but these two examples are more significant.

Now, let's first focus on Eddie Plank.....he was a "true-blue" Pennsylvanian, born near Gettysburg, PA....he
had his greatest pitching years with Connie Mack's A's....and lived out his life in Gettysburg.

This story in its self does not provide us with any sure proof; but, it does give us some insight into a great
HOF pitcher. However, if you compare the players in the E90-1 set vs. the T206 set, a very interesting
pattern emerges.

The 1st Series of the E90-1 set contains the following A's.....

HR Baker
Jack Barry
Chief Bender
Eddie Collins
Harry Davis
Jimmy Dygert
Heinie Heitmuller
Joe Jackson
Harry Krause
Stuffy McInnis
Eddie Plank
Ira Thomas

While the 1st (150) Series of the T206 set contains.....

Chief Bender (portrait)
Harry Davis
Eddie Plank.

To date, one example of a T206 Plank with a Piedmont 150 back (color error or proof) is known, and
less than 100 Sweet Cap (150 Fac 25) cards exist. While there are 1000's of E90-1 Plank's available.

Now, let's consider the Plank's in the T206 2nd Series. These have Sweet Caporal 350 (Fac 30) backs
The above comparison strongly indicates that Amer. Caramel initially had the "monpoly rights" on their
hometown players; therefore, preventing the T206 set designers to portray them. Further study of the
T206 2nd series, reveals that most of these A's (and additional ones) are in this 2nd series of T206's.....
and, at least initially, included Plank.

However, I am speculating that the Philly based American Caramel Co. once again forced his T206 card to
be discontiued....thereby, limiting the number of 2nd series Plank's that were actually issued.
Indeed, Plank re-appeared on subsequent E-card sets such as the E91, E93, E95, E104, and E106.

That's my theory after a good amount of homework......I'm sure you guys will "punch" holes in it.

But, more importantly.....what is your guess on why the T206 Plank is so scarce ?

TED Z

Edited to add Harry Davis to the list of T206's.

Edited again to clarify some thoughts.




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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

This is great! I like reading stuff like this. I wish I could contribute but I can't.

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Hi TED,
Interesting post, but there are less than 10 known Plank 350's, so I doubt they were granted rights to Plank after the first series, otherwise we would see a lot more..... Be well Brian

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Brian,

My following of the T206 Plank have led me to beleive the 350 SC is as common or more common that the 150. NOW, part of that may be the fact that the 150's are keepers and the 350's are the washed out poorly focused print runs, so maybe more people are selling 350's and keeping 150's. But, I still think the pops are about the same for both.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hi Ted,
Interesting post. But besides Bender (Portrait) and Plank, H. Davis (H. on Front) and Nicholls (Hands on Knees) also first appear in the 150 series. I do agree with you to the extent that it was probably a contractual snafu that resulted in Plank's scarcity.
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Posted By: barrysloate

Mack, Coombs, and Adams were other prominent A's that were left out of T206. But are any of the three in E90-1? I think they are missing from both sets. Does that prove anything.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I have a simpler theory:

In 1909, some speculator called Renatta Galasso and ordered 10,000 Plank T206 cards, thereby cornering the market.

Unfortunately, the box of cards was lost in shipping.

If it had been delivered, the Plank T206 cards would be as common as any other card.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

SCOT R

Thanks for correcting me about Davis and Nichols. I should have included Harry Davis, as he
is in the E90-1 set. I was making a comparison with just the A's players common to both the
E90-1 set and the T206 set.
Additional A's players from the T206 1st series are Murphy (horiz), Oldring, and Powers, but I
did not list them as they were not in the E90-1 set.

Also......
JOE JACKSON.....this theory on impact of the E90-1 set on the T206 set player selection....also,
may account for him not being in the T206 set.
I know Joe didn't really start off his career with a "bang" with the Phila. A's, but nevertheless,
this Phila. based Candy Co. beat the T206 guys to the "contractual rights" to portray him. And,
Joe, like Plank, was a "hometown" team guy.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: fkw

The only thing that I can think of is why is Plank found in other sets put out by a directly competing product to American Caramel,... like Philadelphia Caramel, Nadja Caramel, Standard Caramel, etc. If he had some loyalty to one company that wouldnt have happened. Loyalty to any Pennsylvania company,.... then maybe??

I think it was more of let the kids have it (his image) for free, but if tobacco companies wanted to use his likeness then they better pay for it (just like Wagner).

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Ted, that is a quite compelling conjecture you have there. I agree with it. Maybe one day, someone will figure out what Philly law firm represented American Caramel, then, if we can infiltrate someone into their off docket files, there is an extremely unlikely possibility that old correspondence exists about exactly what you suggest. I think it is sound. Plank was one of the very few college educated players of the day... maybe he signed something and then backtracked, or as you say AC pressured ATT into ceasing.

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