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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
I think this is the first OT post I have ever started so with apologies here we go: |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Eric B
I think those names are all reasonable. But most of the names will come from the NY Mets Batboy so I would think you have mostly NY players in his reports. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Eric, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Matt
Just so I understand the criteria here, we're trying to find out of shape, overweight players that hit for power? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Matt, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: James Feagin
Speaking just for the Orioles, or ex-Orioles. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
I would add that every one of my 10 guesses has at leasst some hope for being named to the HOF so if some are named that would obviously have a big impact on that. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
James, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: James Feagin
Who has already admitted to taking steroids? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, you forgot Andy Pettite. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: James Feagin
There have been grumblings in Orioleland about Brian Roberts for a while, particularly his close relationship with user Jay Gibbons. No doubt, the Orioles are probably the most implicated team of all steroid users. As for those who have admitted, I know Wally Joyner admitted to juicing for a time, along with Giambi, who else has admitted? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jason L
might it be easier to list the names of non-users? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
No, Jim, actually it was Grimsley's unredacted statements in an affidavit that included Pettite along with Clemens as recipients of HGH I believe. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Matt
"In some cases--unusual buildup in muscles, unusual statistical year could be a giveaway? The team connection works in certain cases...for example Orioles(Palmiero, Sosa, Gibbons, Tejada, Segui, Tatis, Patterson)." |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Matt, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Jeff, I'm not surprised, but I've never actually heard Clemens or Pettite associated with actual statements, only speculation. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Matt, why is that absurd? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Matt
Jim - what are you putting up as a wager? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Al, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Matt, I wish I knew. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Eric B
Team connections from the 1980's: Oakland A's, then Texas Rangers and Cleveland Indians. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Matt
Al - here's the point - if he was juicing his whole career then we can't attribute that crazy HR season to the juice, can we? Again, I'm not saying he wasn't juicing (I have no idea) just that I don't think the juice makes you a better baseball player. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Matt, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Does anyone have a copy of the article that tied it all back to Bagwell? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Matt
Jim - so explain Brady's 5 seasons after that 50 HR season? |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: James Feagin
I personally saw Brady Anderson roid rage at Oakland in 1996. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
James - do tell! |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
He took mp with a women's pro tennis player--Amanda Coetzer--who said its either me or the juice and he gave up the juice |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: anthony
jim, i think it would be pretty safe to say ripken chipper and jeter wont be on that list...i think they are smarter than that, especially ripken with his community involvement |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
50..........look at Luis Gonzales in 2001..........57 HRS......next highest I think was 31 HRS for him............ |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: James Feagin
I won't repeat the words, but this is what happened. In July of 1996, I was visiting family in Northern California and my brother and I decided to go to an Orioles/A's game in Oakland. We sat in the outfield bleachers between Left and Center Field. During the 7th inning stretch an A's fan sitting directly to my left started heckling Bonilla, it was not out of line or mean spirited at all. Brady Anderson turned around and for 5-10 minutes spewed a torrent of expletives, what he was going to do to this guys mother, etc. He did this between pitches during that 7th inning, and didn't care that the fellow was with his children. It was an absolutely pathetic display. Everytime my brother and I discuss someone losing their cool, we call it "Doing a Brady..." |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jay
Kevin Youkilis |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: jay wolt
It seems that every player that has had a good year or career |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Joe D.
Not on the list! |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: MVSNYC
Jim- you once again have started the "hottest thread in the hobby"...congrats! |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Todd Schultz
Luis Gonzalez looks the same now as he ever did, lean and not particularly muscular. He has probably not weighed 200 pounds in his life. Take your witchhunt elsewhere. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jay, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: David Smith
Joe D, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I'll be interested to hear about Pettite -- after all, he is an extremely religious guy. Not sure though that the New Testament forbids the Clear and the Cream. As for Gonzo, I agree that he's never looked 'steriod huge.' However, to hit 57 HRs one year with his next highest total at 31 does suggest something funky was going on. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jim VB
Hey Jeff, |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jay
Jim--He's gone from medium Poppi to big Poppi; I suspect something |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, I hear you. I think the difference is that Maris did not play in an era when so many players used steroids and HGH. Unfortunately, it is at least appropriate to question such a jump in power during these times. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I make this case all the time. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
no witchhunt and frankly, don't care as baseball has made their bed and are now lying in it......... |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: peter chao
Maris hit 61 because he was in Yankee stadium and Mantle batted behind him. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff--agreed--Luis Gonzales is a good bet. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: peter chao
Your telling me Wakefield didn't take steroids? I would have never guessed. |
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OT: The Mitchell Report: Who Will Be Named??
Posted By: davidcycleback
The problem is it was (and still is) the players' own union, a union that works at the behest and vote of the players, that has prevented drug test of players-- and, thus, promoted its use. The union is still against testing for HGH. So if there is any fan anger, frustration, iffy rumors, bad accusations, not believing players regular' denials, the players can blame themselves as much as anyone for this environment. Players' inevitable denials or excuses after testing postive, hardly give fans and the press reason to trust them. |
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