How many T207 Napoleons are there?

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Posted By: Scott

I just found it interesting that this spring SGC had about 50 Napoleon cards graded, respresenting probably 42 or 43 different players and I just sent in a J. Lapp Napoleon to be graded (probably SGC 10), HOWEVER, I did notice SGC now has 66 Napoleon cards representing 55 different players. Lapp will make 56. So does this mean that all 150 Recruits would have a corresponding Napoleon? I was thinking that only 50 players would end up with Napoleon backs (Tim's list of Rarer Recruits).


Thanks,
Scott

THE LIST SGC CLAIMS AS NAPOLEON'S:

AMOS STRUNK
ARLIE LATHAM
ARMANDO MARSANS
ARTHUR FLETCHER
BERT TOOLEY
BILL MCKECHNIE
BOB WILLIAMS
CASEY HAGEMAN
CHARLES DOOIN
CHARLIE HALL
CLAUDE DERRICK
CLYDE ENGLE
CY MORGAN
DEL GAINOR
DUFFY LEWIS
E.S. HALLINAN
EDWARD CICOTTE
EDWARD KONETCHY
ELMER KNETZER
GABBY STREET
GEORGE CHALMERS
GEORGE ELLIS
GERMANY SCHAEFER
HARRY GOWDY
HARRY HOOPER
HARRY WOLVERTON
HENRY SEVEROID
JACK LAPP
JACK LIVELY
JACK QUINN
JIM DELEHANTY
JIM SCOTT
JOHN COLLINS
JOHN FERRY
JOHN HENRY
JOHN J. MCGRAW
JOHN MILLER
LEFTY GEORGE
MAX CAREY
OSCAR STANAGE
OTIS CRANDALL
OTTO KNABE
PAT MORAN
ROBERT BYRNE
ROBERT HIGGINS
ROGER BRESNAHAN
ROLLIE ZEIDER
STANLEY YERKES
TERRY TURNER
THOMAS LEACH
TOM CLARKE
TRIS SPEAKER
WALLY SMITH
WALTER JOHNSON
WILBUR SCHARDT
WILLIAM STEELE

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Posted By: Bob

You can add Joe Tinker, Doc Scanlon and Wildfire Schulte (none graded by SGC) to your list of Napoleons.

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Posted By: Mark

I have a Daniels w/Napoleon reverse.
I had a bunch more that I sold off - I may have the info somewhere.....I remember Schardt; which is already on your list.

Hope the info helps.

Interestingly, the Daniels has a major blue print shift;
which is why I picked up the card.


Mark

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

This question is not something I worked on when I did the T207 articles, but it's clear to me that all 150 cards that came with Recruit backs were also printed with Napoleons, just in much smaller quantities. Of the ones reported so far, there are both the most common Recruit-class cards (Knabe, Bresnahan) and several of the least common (Ellis, Graham, Scott) so I think it's pretty safe to say that all 150 were printed with Napoleons.

It would be nice if someone wanted to try and verify this for sure, but I think it would be a long haul for a (probably) predictable conclusion.

In any case, here are the Napoleons reported by people who participated in my survey.


Block
Bresnahan
Byrne
Camnitz
Carrigan
Chalmers
Clarke
Collins
Crandall
Daubert
Delehanty
Engle
Fromme
Gainor
Graham
Kaler
Knabe
Lapp
Lennox
Livingston
McBride
McGraw
McKechnie
Milan
Morgan, Ray
Paskert
Rucker
Schaefer
Scott
Smith, Wallace
Snodgrass
Spratt
Stanage
Tooley
Walker
Wallace
Williams
Wiltse
Wingo

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

George, LeftySGC 40
Livingston, Paddy (A)PSA 5
Smith, Wallace St. L. PSA 4
Engle, Clyde SGC 20
Leach, Thomas SGC 50
Schaefer, Germany SGC 40

These are the only Nap backs I have in my complete set.

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Posted By: joe

I have a Drake, Detroit. PSA 4 and a Delahanty Detroit SGC 40
Joe

Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: Betty

I had a SGC 40 Cy Morgan which I recently traded.

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Posted By: Millerhouse

I can add a Harmon to the listing.

Best regards, all,

Dan

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Posted By: Frank Bennett

I have a Zack Wheat with a Napoleon back.

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Posted By: ockday

Engle, Leach, Morgan ...ungraded
Cicotte SGC 50
McGraw SGC 40
Hooper SGC 70


Alan

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Posted By: Scott

Thanks for all the info. I think Tim is right, just sit back another 3-5 years and we will now for sure.

Scott

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Posted By: Scott

For those who care, the confirmed T207 Napoleon list would now be the following 83:

1BLOCK
2BRESNAHAN
3BYRNE
4Camnitz
5CAREY
6Carrigan
7CHALMERS
8CICOTTE
9CLARKE
10COLLINS
11CRANDALL
12Daniels
13Daubert
14DELEHANTY
15DERRICK
16DOOIN
17Drake
18ELLIS
19ENGLE
20FERRY
21FLETCHER
22Fromme
23GAINOR
24GEORGE
25GOWDY
26Graham
27HAGEMAN
28HALL
29HALLINAN
30Harmon
31HENRY
32HIGGINS
33HOOPER
34JOHNSON
35Kaler
36KNABE
37KNETZER
38KONETCHY
39LAPP
40LATHAM
41LEACH
42Lennox
43LEWIS
44LIVELY
45Livingston (Big A)
46MARSANS
47McBride
48MCGRAW
49MCKECHNIE
50Milan
51MILLER, J.
52MORAN
53MORGAN, CY
54Morgan, Ray
55Paskert
56QUINN
57Rucker
58Scanlon
59SCHAEFER
60SCHARDT
61Schulte
62SCOTT
63SEVEROID
64SMITH, W.
65Snodgrass
66SPEAKER
67Spratt
68STANAGE
69STEELE
70STREET
71STRUNK
72Tinker
73TOOLEY
74TURNER
75Walker
76Wallace
77Wheat
78WILLIAMS
79Wiltse
80Wingo
81WOLVERTON
82YERKES
83ZEIDER

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Posted By: scott brockelman

from my set I can add, Fisher white cap, Mullin no D and Simon. I have some more in the 4 sale box, may not have them out til Cleveland and will be getting some more in Cleveland in a lot I am picking up. I believe that you will find the list will match all of the cards that come with a Recruit back.

Scott

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Posted By: Scott

You can add to the confirmed list of Napoleon backed T207.
84 EASTERLY
85 GARDNER
86 LEIFIELD
87 Mullin No D on cap
88 Simon
89 Fischer

1 BLOCK
2 BRESNAHAN
3 BYRNE
4 Camnitz
5 CAREY
6 Carrigan
7 CHALMERS
8 CICOTTE
9 CLARKE
10 COLLINS
11 CRANDALL
12 Daniels
13 Daubert
14 DELEHANTY
15 DERRICK
16 DOOIN
17 Drake
18 ELLIS
19 ENGLE
20 FERRY
21 FLETCHER
22 Fromme
23 GAINOR
24 GEORGE
25 GOWDY
26 Graham
27 HAGEMAN
28 HALL
29 HALLINAN
30 Harmon
31 HENRY
32 HIGGINS
33 HOOPER
34 JOHNSON
35 Kaler
36 KNABE
37 KNETZER
38 KONETCHY
39 LAPP
40 LATHAM
41 LEACH
42 Lennox
43 LEWIS
44 LIVELY
45 Livingston (Big A)
46 MARSANS
47 McBride
48 MCGRAW
49 MCKECHNIE
50 Milan
51 MILLER, J.
52 MORAN
53 MORGAN, CY
54 Morgan, Ray
55 Paskert
56 QUINN
57 Rucker
58 Scanlon
59 SCHAEFER
60 SCHARDT
61 Schulte
62 SCOTT
63 SEVEROID
64 SMITH, W.
65 Snodgrass
66 SPEAKER
67 Spratt
68 STANAGE
69 STEELE
70 STREET
71 STRUNK
72 Tinker
73 TOOLEY
74 TURNER
75 Walker
76 Wallace
77 Wheat
78 WILLIAMS
79 Wiltse
80 Wingo
81 WOLVERTON
82 YERKES
83 ZEIDER
84 EASTERLY
85 GARDNER
86 LEIFIELD
87 Mullin No D on cap
88 Simon
89 Fischer