Lou Boudreau Rookie card?

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Posted By: Richard

Does anyone know what set contains the rookie card for Lou Boudreau? I think it is the 1948 Leaf. Look forward to some replies.
Happy New Year

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

He is in the 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread issue.

But, he may also be in some lesser known regional set that precedes this one.

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Posted By: Paul

He is in the '41 Double Play set, but obviously it's a two player card not a single player card. He's also in the 1939-46 Salutations Exhibit set. As far as I know, no one has been able to determine the specific years in which any particular player was issued in that Exhibit set. The Leaf set is actually from 1949, so I think the 1948 Topps Magic Photo cards of Boudreau (he has two -- a portrait and an action photo) are also earlier than the Leaf.

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Posted By: fkw

You can date 1939-66 Exhibits down almost to the year (by the size/style of the MADE/Made/PRINTED/Printed IN USA). If anyone has a Boudreau with a 3/4" or 1/2" "MADE IN USA" that would be prewar 1939-45. But I dont think he was included in the salutations until the late 40's.

His first card that he is on by himself is the 1943 MP&Co. (R302-1)

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Posted By: dennis

heres the site it's on the vintage links here. http://members.aol.com/METSBWD/hofers.html

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Posted By: Richard

how many two player cards are considered rookie cards?
1965 Topps Steve Carlton
1965 Topps Tony Perez
1967 Topps Tom Seaver
1967 Topps Rod Carew
1968 Topps Nolan Ryan
1969 Topps Rollie Fingers
1972 Topps Carlton Fisk
1973 Topps Mike Schmidt
Just to name a few. Two player cards are definately considered rookie cards if they are the earliest issue. Looks like it would be the 1941 Doubleplay card for Lou Boudreau.
Thanks to everyone for responding.
Happy New Year

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Posted By: fkw

There is a big difference between a multiplayer designed card and a Topps Rookie card. Topps routinely made specific rookie cards showing 2-4 players as part of their yearly set.

Some collectors dont think issues that by design show more than 1 player per card a rookie card..... ie. 4-in-1 Exhibits, '35 Goudey 4-in-1, Double Play, T200, W601, etc.

Some collectors conside the first card with a photo of the player his rookie. If thats the case, the 1966 Mets Team card is Nolan Ryan's rookie by that thinking.

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Posted By: Richard

that sounds really foolish to me buddy. There is no difference between a 1965 Topps Carlton rookie and a 1941 Double Play rookie. The cards I mentioned are definately considered true rookie cards for those HOF'ers. These is absolutely no difference. I have collected for about 30 years now so I speak from experience.

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Posted By: Noel

Richard

I think you are probably correct in your assertion regarding double player rookies but FKW brings up a very valid point. By your reasoning the 1966 Mets Team card is Nolan Ryan's rookie. That does not seem to be accepted by the majority of people i know.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Everyone knows the '68 Topps is Ryan's RC. '63 Topps (with 3 others) is the Rose RC. The general consensus is that the '52 Topps (not '51 Bowman) is Mantle's RC. Go figure.

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Posted By: peter chao

FKW,

Ryan was in the 1967 Topps Mets Team Card not the 1966 Mets Team Card. And in general appearances in team cards are not considered a rookie appearance.

Peter

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Posted By: Richard

Fellas, it seems like the rookie card varies from one collector to another in some instances. eg Mickey Mantle. The more popular card is generally considered the rookie in some cases, also some collectors consider the very first card (even if minor leagues) to be a rookie. I think a set of criteria has to be set to determine true rookie card status. The million $ question is who sets the criteria? You can poll 100 top vintage pre war Baseball card collectors and most will give you different opinions on the rookie cards of Hall of Famers. Some consider the rookie card the most popular card of a particular player, or his most valuable card. We could talk about this until next year (LOL) and not everyone will agree. Guess that is part of the fun of collecting the pre war cards. Seems like many prewar collectors focus on HOF'ers and in particular the rookie cards. It is a challenge and that is part of the fun. Well, Happy New Year to all. Hope we all make some great finds in the coming 2007!

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

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Posted By: glyn parson

There is a huge difference between a 1941 doubleplay and a topps team card. 1941 double play is clearly the rookie card in my mind.

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Posted By: glyn parson

sorry double post

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Posted By: Richard

I agree with you 100% on this. Nice card. Thanks for the pic.
Richard

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

Wouldn't it have been something if Nolan Ryan got to the majors a little earlier. Then possibly both Ryan and Seaver would have been on a '67 Topps high number. That would have been some card.

Peter