1928 Ice Cream question--order of scarcity?

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

I could have sworn this was covered before, but my searches proved fruitless (operator error?). Could someone rank and provide multipliers for the 1928 Ice Cream issues--Harrington, Sweetman, Tharp's, Yeungling--and W502. Thanks.

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Posted By: leon

Personally I haven't seen a lot of difference in frequency that these "backs" trade hands. I have only been doing this about 8 years so many others will probably have different opinions. I certainly wouldn't think there would be a multiplier on any of them. Maybe the W502 is worth a little less, all imho....regards

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Posted By: Wesley

I'd rank them as follows:

Sweetman (by far the toughest and most expensive)
York (1927 and one of the last sets w/ E designation)
Tharps (big dropoff in scarcity after Tharps)
Yuengling
Harrington (there was a recent find w/ nicer ones)
W502 (easiest)

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Posted By: David Vargha

I was of the understanding that York was a true candy (E) card. There are certainly more of them floating around, according to the SGC and PSA Population Reports. They share many of the same photos, but this was common enough back in the day.

The combined SGC and PSA Population Reports for the others are as follows:

Sweetman - 34 graded
Harrington - 89 graded
Tharps - 91 graded
Yuengling's - 132 graded.

All in all, they range from very scarce to extremely scarce in the ice cream issues. I skipped the strip cards as I believe that they are far more prevalent (although once again, sharing many of the same photos) yet are not graded as often for two reasons -- 1. PSA didn't use to grade hand cut cards and 2. People didn't consider most strip cards worth submitting for grading until recently.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: leon

I paid about the same for all of my types of mid tier HOF's. Just about the exact same for each....although my 4th type, the Yeungling-Gehrig was more ..as was expected.....regards

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I have handled a lot of these cards in the past, and I pretty much agree with Wesley's take on the sets, with a few minor changes. Obviously, the York caramel set is not an Ice Cream set, but due to the similarity to the others they are included. It is important to note that there are 2 different York caramel sets, Type 1's being on dull stock, type 2's being very glossy, when you see a type 2 you will know it. As a whole the rarity would be as follows...
RAREST
1. York Type II
2. Sweetman
3. Tharps
4. York Type I
5. Harringtons
6. W502
7. Yeunglings

The rarity of #3 and #4 are close, also the rarity of #5-#7 are also pretty close. Keep in mind that there are actually 2 different W502 sets, with the later (1931) one being tougher to find. Also, nobody has ever found any evidence that the Sweetmans cards were actually produced with Ice Cream, I (opinion) believe Sweetmans was likely a candy company as opposed to ice cream. York type II's are extremely tough, many people think they have type 2's but they aren't. Sweetmans are really tough to find, and actually are a good value at the present (I don't know that many people realize they are far tougher than the other sets in the list-most of those in the hobby came from a few finds of small groups.) In my experience Yeunglings are the most prevalent, and actually by a fair amount, although I have seen more and more Harringtons as of late.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Scot York

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

I appreciate the great info.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Leon,

You have to have the Babe Ruth card in this set; it is the key.

The Yuengling Brewery in Pottsville, PA boasts to be the oldest
in the country. It's just up the road from where I live here in
Pennsylvania and well worth visiting it. In the Prohibition era
Yuengling was resourceful by converting their plant to produce
Ice Cream since the government prevented them from brewing beer
And, in 1928 they issued a 60 card baseball set as a premium to
go with their ice cream products.

The key card in the set of course is Babe Ruth. One could trade
this card in for Yuengling's ice cream products. And, many back
then did this, which of course resulted in less Ruth cards that
have survived for us collectors.

Years ago I tried to complete this set and I thought being near
the area that these cards were available would make it easy. It
was not as easy as the above posts are eluding to by the rank-
ings. I must admit I haven't tried to complete the Sweetman set
or the others.

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Posted By: leon

I don't have the Ruth, unfortunately. When I made my initial comment, in this thread, it was out of somewhat ignorance as I have never given any of these particular series much thought over the others. I just know I have paid about the same for any of them (not E210 type 2's though). Great story on Yeunglings......regards

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Posted By: cmoking

Was it only the Ruth card that could be traded in? None of the others were eligible for trade-ins?

Thanks

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Posted By: Richard

What is the history of the backs? The big book mentions a "$5 skooter" back. Is this variation scarcer and how many different type backs are there? Do back variations exist in the other ice creams too?

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Posted By: David Vargha

I've got 37 of the Yuengling's going up for sale on eBay tonight. Of the 37, I believe that only 3 do not have the "skooter" offer on the back.

(Make that four.)

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Scot York

No matter which set you decide to collect, none are easy to complete. You will spend years doing so. It's not about having the money with any 1920's candy or caramel cards, locating them in any condition is the trick. All sets mentioned are a challenge and have variations as well.

Scot

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Posted By: Brian Lindholme

Gents,
I have taken the plunge on trying to acquire the E210 York set.
A couple questions for ye knowlegeables...

Is it possible to acquire all 60 cards by mixing type I and type II or are there players who appear in just one type, hence making a "master set" comprise of more than 60 players ??(I think the answer should be yes, but I don't know how many players this will mean) What about pose variations?

Sgt Hoss, you mention the direction of text as the easiest way to determine Type I from Type II. Others mention gloss. If you see the assortment of cards that I have, gloss may be out of the question to make that decision:)

Can you explain further what the text direction for each should be ?

Also, since we are discussing them...why don't I include my plea for low-grade Yorks...yes I think I shall.
Please contact me if you would like to sell/trade low grade examples from either type...I have 22 cards so far, including Type II Babe Ruth.

Thanks muchly,
Brian
familytoad

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

All of the type II's that I remember owning had the name on the left hand side (on the back). Lay the card on the table with the name (on front) at bottom, then flip the card over (either to the left or right), if the name is on the left, then it is a type II, and the front should be glossy.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Scot York