Can we remove 2020 -2022 card prices from VCP

[parkplace33]

Of course the title of this post is a half joke. Pardon me while I bloviate on this topic

I bought a card last week. Seller is a friend so we looked up comps on VCP. We came to an agreement using recent sales, but he jokingly said “Can we use comps from 3 years ago”. Of course we didn’t, but it made me think of all the high sales during that time frame.

Do collectors take stock in those prices anymore? I guess for some high end/rare cards you can still use them, but for most others cards, they seem like a distance memory. For prewar, T206 Cobbs and 1933 Goudey Ruths come most to mind. For those that don’t have VCP, here are psa 4 sales of Ruth 144:

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/238055#g=4

VCP has more sales, but you get the picture. Just amazing what has transpired over the last 5 years. I am not saying this is good or bad, just saying where we are at. And how I believe, for the most part, those prices are “dust in the wind” as they say.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Of course the title of this post is a half joke. Pardon me while I bloviate on this topic

I bought a card last week. Seller is a friend so we looked up comps on VCP. We came to an agreement using recent sales, but he jokingly said “Can we use comps from 3 years ago”. Of course we didn’t, but it made me think of all the high sales during that time frame.

Do collectors take stock in those prices anymore? I guess for some high end/rare cards you can still use them, but for most others cards, they seem like a distance memory. For prewar, T206 Cobbs and 1933 Goudey Ruths come most to mind. For those that don’t have VCP, here are psa 4 sales of Ruth 144:

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/238055#g=4

VCP has more sales, but you get the picture. Just amazing what has transpired over the last 5 years. I am not saying this is good or bad, just saying where we are at. And how I believe, for the most part, those prices are “dust in the wind” as they say.

It's nothing new. Look at the prices of Clemente rookies from October 2015 - October 2016

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It's nothing new. Look at the prices of Clemente rookies from October 2015 - October 2016

The buying group!!

[Leon]

I remember the absolutely crazy Koufax rookie prices. They really got ran up for a while.

But, to the topic, everyone needs to do their due diligence on pricing. As said before, if it's for my collection, I don't worry as much about the ROI. I paid around 20k for this one and it's probably 16k-17k today. But I am a centering nut so it hit the spot.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Leon

I remember the absolutely crazy Koufax rookie prices. They really got ran up for a while.

But, to the topic, everyone needs to do their due diligence on pricing. As said before, if it's for my collection, I don't worry as much about the ROI. I paid around 20k for this one and it's probably 16k-17k today. But I am a centering nut so it hit the spot.

An honest question from a non-card guy: Are those vertical borders narrower than a lot of what I've seen? I'm guessing I'm completely wrong, else you wouldn't have wanted this example. I obviously spend nowhere near the amount of time staring at these cards as most around here, but have looked at my share, and this immediately jumped out at me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

An honest question from a non-card guy: Are those vertical borders narrower than a lot of what I've seen? I'm guessing I'm completely wrong, else you wouldn't have wanted this example. I obviously spend nowhere near the amount of time staring at these cards as most around here, but have looked at my share, and this immediately jumped out at me.

Yes, narrow -- look at the card compared to the gasket -- but Goudeys vary a lot.

[Johnny630]

One card that comes to my mind was the 1953 Topps Willie Mays SGC 8 that PWCC allegedly sold in March 2023 for $186,000 an all time record sale. That card came up again less than 7 months later in September selling for $99,000 same auction same exact card. Was that $186,000 a real transaction or what ? Idk could be was the second one? Who knows?

Late Spring 2021-Fall 2023 I call the Hype Market..... a lot could maybe have been fluff driven by the hype.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's not that hard to create a run. Do a few fake sales, the prices get published, people get FOMO, and off to the races.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's not that hard to create a run. Do a few fake sales, the prices get published, people get FOMO, and off to the races.

That’s what happened