Since the SGC news, results from trying to cross a SGC card to PSA

[parkplace33]

Title says it all. Recently, anyone tried to cross a SGC card to PSA. If so, what was the result? Same grade, higher grade, lower grade? How long did the process take? I would think PSA has been inundated with questions/crosses since the news, but I haven’t seen any posts about it.

I am planning to trying crossing a few cards soon and will let you know the results.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Title says it all. Recently, anyone tried to cross a SGC card to PSA. If so, what was the result? Same grade, higher grade, lower grade? How long did the process take? I would think PSA has been inundated with questions/crosses since the news, but I haven’t seen any posts about it.

I am planning to trying crossing a few cards soon and will let you know the results.

I have not but I have been keeping an eye on prices of SGC graded stuff and from the small sample size there has been no adverse impact on the prices.

Has anyone made observations to the contrary?

[perezfan]

I'm considering the exact opposite (converting PSA to SCG before the superior slabs go away). SGC graded cards just stand out and look much better inside the black frames. And PSA's crinkled baggies don't do it for me either. Nor does the diagonal placement within the slabs.

Hope PSA doesn't ruin a good thing and do away with the nice SCG Slabs, and/or increase their processing times.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'm considering the exact opposite. SGC graded cards just stand out and look much better inside the black frames. And PSA's crinkled baggies don't do it for me either. Nor does the diagonal placement within the slabs.

Hope PSA doesn't ruin a good thing and do away with the nice SCG Slabs, and/or increase their processing times.

+1, putting together a 15 card crossover sub to SGC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Minority view at least in the "enclave" but I don't own a single SGC (or Beckett) card I wouldn't prefer in an equal grade PSA holder.

[ncinin]

This not directly related to the cross over question but while setting up at the Philly and Chicago shows, I saw no negative effect on SGC sales and prices, as I sold SGC cards as normal.

I was surprised that I heard nothing negative from any customer about it. In fact I heard very few people mention it at all.

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Minority view at least in the "enclave" but I don't own a single SGC (or Beckett) card I wouldn't prefer in an equal grade PSA holder.

Mark me down as an "enclave" member. Everything about PSA from the crazy-long processing times to the generic flips to under-graded cards to the trim-slabbed scandal has been a major turn-off for me. I prefer SGC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by robw1959

Mark me down as an "enclave" member. Everything about PSA from the crazy-long processing times to the generic flips to under-graded cards to the trim-slabbed scandal has been a major turn-off for me. I prefer SGC.

I don't particularly like PSA as a company myself, just being pragmatic about it. If value was irrelevant I wouldn't want anyone's slabs. Since value unfortunately has become relevant, I'd rather have the slabs with the best value.

[raulus]

What has it been, a week? Maybe two?

The only way you’d have grades by now is if you paid for one of the highest levels of service, which would set you back some serious bread.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

What has it been, a week? Maybe two?

The only way you’d have grades by now is if you paid for one of the highest levels of service, which would set you back some serious bread.

Times flies, it’s been 3 weeks now.

True, I just thought some members would have started the process and maybe some would have feedback but now.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Minority view at least in the "enclave" but I don't own a single SGC (or Beckett) card I wouldn't prefer in an equal grade PSA holder.

Have you considered crossing now? Or not a priority for these cards?

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by ncinin

This not directly related to the cross over question but while setting up at the Philly and Chicago shows, I saw no negative effect on SGC sales and prices, as I sold SGC cards as normal.

I was surprised that I heard nothing negative from any customer about it. In fact I heard very few people mention it at all.

Interesting. I hope sales were good for you at both shows. I went to Philly and thought it was extremely busy.

[Johnny630]

I truly believe a lot of Vintage Pre War Collectors prefer Sgc over PSA due to their graciousness on lower collector grade condition cards. Many low grade below 4’s, broadly speaking receive more of a favorable grade then lower Grade PSA examples.

If your monetary value is the most import sure PSA all the way if not SGC is fine, I’m talking lower collector grade.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Have you considered crossing now? Or not a priority for these cards?

Peter, misread your original post. If you did, would you consider crossing?

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

+1, putting together a 15 card crossover sub to SGC.

May I ask the reason why? Just prefer the Sgc holders?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by robw1959

Mark me down as an "enclave" member. Everything about PSA from the crazy-long processing times to the generic flips to under-graded cards to the trim-slabbed scandal has been a major turn-off for me. I prefer SGC.

Ditto.

[Republicaninmass]

We are Still in the "denial" phase evidently. At least there was, and never will be (least for older slabs) a registry. This, IMO, wouldbhave caused a little more panic.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

May I ask the reason why? Just prefer the Sgc holders?

Yes, it's all stuff for my PC and prefer to have them in a black apron.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Have you considered crossing now? Or not a priority for these cards?

It seems a daunting task and given how PSA does things I would guess I would take downgrades on quite a few.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems a daunting task and given how PSA does things I would guess I would take downgrades on quite a few.

If history is any guide, if you attempt to do a true cross, without cracking first, the odds are good that you're going to take a hit on the grade. It's not that there's anything wrong with the original grade. There just seems to be an attitude that if it's coming from the other guys, then it must be overgraded. Although I guess there's always the possibility that now that both shops are under the same roof, there will be less negativity towards slabs from the other guys, since "them" is now "us".

And if you crack first and then submit, then you're taking a huge gamble. Will they refuse to slab it? Will it have some minsize issue? And that's before you even get to the time and cost involved in submitting to PSA.

I'm going to guess that around these parts, there's a lot fewer people who are eager to dump their SGC slabs and get them into shiny new PSA slabs. Not that it will stop us from hypothesizing and pontificating that such a person must be out there somewhere, and if enough of them exist, then it must mean something for the market for SGC slabs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

If history is any guide, if you attempt to do a true cross, without cracking first, the odds are good that you're going to take a hit on the grade. It's not that there's anything wrong with the original grade. There just seems to be an attitude that if it's coming from the other guys, then it must be overgraded. Although I guess there's always the possibility that now that both shops are under the same roof, there will be less negativity towards slabs from the other guys, since "them" is now "us".

And if you crack first and then submit, then you're taking a huge gamble. Will they refuse to slab it? Will it have some minsize issue? And that's before you even get to the time and cost involved in submitting to PSA.

I'm going to guess that around these parts, there's a lot fewer people who are eager to dump their SGC slabs and get them into shiny new PSA slabs. Not that it will stop us from hypothesizing and pontificating that such a person must be out there somewhere, and if enough of them exist, then it must mean something for the market for SGC slabs.

My take is that unless you're an insider, PSA just slams people because they can and that's what they do. Complaints about their grading too low are legion.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My take is that unless you're an insider, PSA just slams people because they can and that's what they do. Complaints about their grading too low are legion.

While I agree, more.people tend to complain about overgrading... raw cards on ebay and the like

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by raulus

If history is any guide, if you attempt to do a true cross, without cracking first, the odds are good that you're going to take a hit on the grade. It's not that there's anything wrong with the original grade. There just seems to be an attitude that if it's coming from the other guys, then it must be overgraded. Although I guess there's always the possibility that now that both shops are under the same roof, there will be less negativity towards slabs from the other guys, since "them" is now "us".

And if you crack first and then submit, then you're taking a huge gamble. Will they refuse to slab it? Will it have some minsize issue? And that's before you even get to the time and cost involved in submitting to PSA.

I'm going to guess that around these parts, there's a lot fewer people who are eager to dump their SGC slabs and get them into shiny new PSA slabs. Not that it will stop us from hypothesizing and pontificating that such a person must be out there somewhere, and if enough of them exist, then it must mean something for the market for SGC slabs.

With the cross, you can put do not cross unless minimum grade met. If course, you will charged either way. But at least you have assurance that if it crosses, you will get a minimum grade.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

With the cross, you can put do not cross unless minimum grade met. If course, you will charged either way. But at least you have assurance that if it crosses, you will get a minimum grade.

Good point!

As you hinted at, I’m not sure how many people want to get frisky with that by spending all that cash and waiting months just to be told they’re SOL, because it doesn’t meet that minimum.

I guess the good news is that your card comes back in the original holder.

[Snowman]

There are more important data points to consider than just whether it was in an SGC slab before and what the grade is. Knowing when the card was graded by SGC and why it received the grade it did (e.g., due to corner wear, centering, surface wear, creases, etc) are more predictive if whether or not it will cross than just blindly assuming the reason it did or didn't cross is because of the current state of the hobby or an inherent bias to one's "team".

The fact remains, if your SGC grade is due to corner wear, it's unlikely to cross to PSA. If it's due to centering, it can often bump at PSA. If it's due to creases or surface wear, there's more variance from one grader to the next, it could go either way.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There are more important data points to consider than just whether it was in an SGC slab before and what the grade is. Knowing when the card was graded by SGC and why it received the grade it did (e.g., due to corner wear, centering, surface wear, creases, etc) are more predictive if whether or not it will cross than just blindly assuming the reason it did or didn't cross is because of the current state of the hobby or an inherent bias to one's "team".

The fact remains, if your SGC grade is due to corner wear, it's unlikely to cross to PSA. If it's due to centering, it can often bump at PSA. If it's due to creases or surface wear, there's more variance from one grader to the next, it could go either way.

When you get bumps, do you crack and cross? Or do you cross in the slab?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

When you get bumps, do you crack and cross? Or do you cross in the slab?

I generally crack them out first, but not always. If I'm concerned about a card being rejected for minsize or some other reason, then I will keep it in the slab and send as a true crossover. Or if I want the grade on the slab to influence their decision, then I might send it as a true crossover as well. But 95% of the time, I will just crack the card out and submit it raw.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I generally crack them out first, but not always. If I'm concerned about a card being rejected for minsize or some other reason, then I will keep it in the slab and send as a true crossover. Or if I want the grade on the slab to influence their decision, then I might send it as a true crossover as well. But 95% of the time, I will just crack the card out and submit it raw.

Cool. Mostly I was trying to evaluate whether you've ever gotten a bump while keeping it in the old slab.

I'm guessing that's rare, but I've only once attempted submitting without cracking first. I crossed this card from SGC 6 to PSA 5, without cracking it out. Would it have scored higher if I had cracked it out first? Hard to say, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. And with this particular issue, the grade isn't particularly important anyway.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

Cool. Mostly I was trying to evaluate whether you've ever gotten a bump while keeping it in the old slab.

I'm guessing that's rare, but I've only once attempted submitting without cracking first. I crossed this card from SGC 6 to PSA 5, without cracking it out. Would it have scored higher if I had cracked it out first? Hard to say, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. And with this particular issue, the grade isn't particularly important anyway.

Yes, I've gotten bumps by keeping cards in their holders before. In both directions. It just depends on the card.

Yours might get a 6 from a different grader on a different day. There's a lot of variance, especially with PSA. They're looking at that top left corner and the registration misalignment. That's what is causing the 5. But some PSA graders will call it a 6. Just not as many as will call it a 5.