Help!! Audited on my 2021 Taxes over baseball cards!!

[bobbyw8469]

I got audited yesterday over my 2021 taxes for the Ebay sales. Any advice on what to do?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I got audited yesterday over my 2021 taxes for the Ebay sales. Any advice on what to do?

Find your cost basis and subtract it. Then declare the rest as income and pay your taxes.
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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

Find your cost basis and subtract it. Then declare the rest as income and pay your taxes.
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I paid taxes on it back in 2021. I got lucky and still had my receipts from the various auction houses. But Ebay doesn't send invoices for the fees they take out. Trust me Leon....I'm not getting rich. I just love buying and selling cards.

[jimq16415]

Bobby I think you can go to ebay payments and search from 01/01/2001 to 01/01/2022 and it lists each sale. deduction for fees and shipping, then net for each sale. It would be a long project for as much as you sell but it's at least a way to itemize the fees. Fees you can deduct is less taxes for you now. Good Luck!

[Directly]

I think if you look at eBay's monthly reports it shows eBay's Fees and shipping fees + other adjustments-- -

[jimq16415]

Originally Posted by Directly

I think if you look at eBay's monthly reports it shows eBay's Fees and shipping fees + other adjustments-- -

I don't mean to hijack the thread but where do I look to find ebay's monthly reports from 2021? I'm not experienced on ebay and can use the help!

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by jimq16415

I don't mean to hijack the thread but where do I look to find ebay's monthly reports from 2021? I'm not experienced on ebay and can use the help!

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fe...ctions?id=4847

[jimq16415]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fe...ctions?id=4847

Thanks! Didn't know that was there, it's a great tool!

[parkplace33]

Did you do your own taxes or did a CPA do your taxes?

[bobbyw8469]

I do my own. Turbo Tax. The CPA was too expensive.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I do my own. Turbo Tax. The CPA was too expensive.

This is making me laugh

Just hire the CPA to avoid these headaches

[CardPadre]

Did you get a 1099 from eBay for that tax year that they want to reconcile your adjustments or did you not qualify for a 1099 and this is all from scratch? You probably do need a cpa now, as no one here could know enough of your specifics to give you absolute correct information. But good luck and keep us posted.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Did you get a 1099 from eBay for that tax year that they want to reconcile your adjustments or did you not qualify for a 1099 and this is all from scratch? You probably do need a cpa now, as no one here could know enough of your specifics to give you absolute correct information. But good luck and keep us posted.

I got a 1099 from Ebay that year.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

This is making me laugh

Just hire the CPA to avoid these headaches

Yeah, I have to agree. Coming to Net 54 for advice on an IRS audit isn't the first step I'd take.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

This is making me laugh

Just hire the CPA to avoid these headaches

^^This X100^^ If you are going to play you need to pay a CPA. Seriously it is worth it every time because of things like this. From personal experience being audited sucks but if you use a CPA it is easy. They take care of everything for you. At least that was my experience and I was audited by everyone that can audit a business. There are way more people that can audit you than you think. It is not just the IRS.

[raulus]

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of IRS examinations.

I am a CPA, and I've been through this a few times with some of my clients. My experience is that as long as you're not hiding stuff, you'll be okay. From what you've suggested above, it sounds like you haven't been hiding stuff. On the other hand, if you have been hiding stuff, then the whole process is going to get painful and ultimately very expensive.

As others have mentioned, your gain on sale for any given item is calculated as the sales price, less your selling costs (including eBay fees), less your cost to buy the asset (also known as your basis). Hopefully you filed the correct forms on your tax return to report your sales. And hopefully when you add up all of the sales reported on your tax return, it sums to the amount that eBay reflected on the forms 1099 that they filed with our friends at the IRS. If not, then the agent will probably start poking at those differences, trying to figure out why there's a difference, and whether that means that you have additional gains that need to be reported.

Part of the fun here will also revolve around whether you are a dealer, a collector, or an investor. Depending on which group you land in, your ability to deduct losses may be limited. And your tax rate will also be impacted.

I agree with the general sentiments here that if you're not a savvy tax professional, then now is the time to hire one. My guess is that without help, this audit will chew up an incredible amount of your time and introduce a lot of stress. In case you were thinking it, you probably don't want to hire me, as I'm far too expensive for this type of work, and generally don't do a lot of work with individuals.

Good luck, and hopefully it's a walk in the park. With any luck, at the National you'll be able to regale us with tales of how you beat the G-men at their own game.

[Moonshot Moose]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I got a 1099 from Ebay that year.

Did your 1099 match up with what you reported in turbo tax? If not, that's usually a flag. I recommend what the others said and partner with a CPA - a good one is worth the cost based on my experiences.

[Tyruscobb]

Where is Bob C. when you need him? He is the man for this job, and can probably answer any question you may have, Bobby.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

This is making me laugh

Just hire the CPA to avoid these headaches

CPA is well worth the money.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Where is Bob C. when you need him? He is the man for this job, and can probably answer any question you may have, Bobby.

I have been wondering the same. I enjoyed reading all of Bob C.’s very well-written and detailed post, no matter what the subject was.

[rjackson44]

my friend went thru this he did like 20 k in sales,,after it was said and done it was not good ,,a nightmare.not worth it.had to make huge payment plans.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yeah, I have to agree. Coming to Net 54 for advice on an IRS audit isn't the first step I'd take.

What about Legal advice?

[Jewish-collector]

Where are you, Bob ? We need you, you old geezer. We have someone needing your advice

[calvindog]

I was audited for baseball card sales many years ago -- about 100K worth, maybe around 2007. It was torture getting together the records as it was a lot of cards. My CPA dealt with those IRS savages and I ended up getting out of it pretty much completely. While I did all the legwork for my accountant, he handled the agent well. Money well-spent.

[bobbyw8469]

Dang Jeffrey. That sounds like a nightmare.

[theshowandme]

Just looked, I paid $196 for a CPA at H&R Block to review my taxes.

My situation is not all that uncommon but I wanted the extra set of eyes.

It helps me sleep better.

1. W2 employee
2. 1099-K from PayPal
3. 1099-K from eBay
4. Brokerage account sales, dividends, interest, etc.

They found a few extra hundred bucks to deduct once I sent it to them for their review.

It was beautiful!

Pay the CPA!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Dang Jeffrey. That sounds like a nightmare.

It was a nightmare doing the work of finding every purchase and sale. But the agent was utterly ignorant of baseball cards and how they are bought and sold. That ignorance helped me plenty.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Just looked, I paid $196 for a CPA at H&R Block to review my taxes.

My situation is not all that uncommon but I wanted the extra set of eyes.

It helps me sleep better.

1. W2 employee
2. 1099-K from PayPal
3. 1099-K from eBay
4. Brokerage account sales, dividends, interest, etc.

They found a few extra hundred bucks to deduct once I sent it to them for their review.

It was beautiful!

Pay the CPA!

Thank you! I used to pay the CPA. I forget what made me stop going to him. I felt like he didn't understand the nuances behind it. You can deduct a portion of your house, your electric bill, etc.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

my friend went thru this he did like 20 k in sales,,after it was said and done it was not good ,,a nightmare.not worth it.had to make huge payment plans.

I am fearful of this as well. I didn't cheat the IRS....I deducted what I paid for cards to offset the sells. But I'll admit....my record keeping skills suck. Hopefully this won't make me wish I never messed around in the hobby.

[rhettyeakley]

Hopefully you didn’t try to report a “loss” and tried to take a ton of deductions to offset your regular income. I am not a CPA but that is always a bad idea.

I do use a CPA but they have been very upfront with me about what I am supposed to be doing and what is and isn’t allowed.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Hopefully you didn’t try to report a “loss” and tried to take a ton of deductions to offset your regular income. I am not a CPA but that is always a bad idea.

I do use a CPA but they have been very upfront with me about what I am supposed to be doing and what is and isn’t allowed.

I did lose money on some cards. I took no deductions that weren't allowed. Bubble Mailers, PO Box, VCP subscription, Ebay fees, Paypal fees, etc.

[Snowman]

In my experience, most of the work is actually in being able to track down and produce all the records you need, regardless of whether you hire a CPA or not. I was audited several years back for poker winnings, and I handled everything myself. I would do the same again if I am ever audited for selling sports cards. But I also keep meticulous records and I don't try to write off shady shit.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

In my experience, most of the work is actually in being able to track down and produce all the records you need, regardless of whether you hire a CPA or not. I was audited several years back for poker winnings, and I handled everything myself. I would do the same again if I am ever audited for selling sports cards. But I also keep meticulous records and I don't try to write off shady shit.

I don't write off shady shit, but my record keeping skills suck big time. About the only things I'm good at is saving old invoices. And even that is hit or miss.

[Smarti5051]

The statement that you can get audited by entities other than the IRS is so true. I got audited by the CA EDD for my small business (3 family employee operation). The process took 18 months, at least 150 hours of my time, $5000 for my accountant and an additional assessment of $14.28, inclusive of interest and penalties. If they would have offered to settle for $5000 at the outset (even though I owed zero), I would have taken it.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't write off shady shit, but my record keeping skills suck big time. About the only things I'm good at is saving old invoices. And even that is hit or miss.

You should be OK then. You just need to download all your eBay activity and get your bank records for any accounts you use and all your receipts. You can request data from ebay. It takes a few days for them to create a downloadable report for you. But it will have everything you need, buying and selling, with all the fees itemized.

[Keith H. Thompson]

too expensive. Then a couple of years ago. I got a 1099-K from eBay reflecting 50K in sales. I immediately went to a CPA firm. There are many ways to deal with this, but we decided to go with Schedule C. As Calvindog points out, there is a ton of legwork, but there are also so many legitimate "expenses" including cost of inventory. And it gets easier and more routine every year.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Keith H. Thompson

too expensive. Then a couple of years ago. I got a 1099-K from eBay reflecting 50K in sales. I immediately went to a CPA firm. There are many ways to deal with this, but we decided to go with Schedule C. As Calvindog points out, there is a ton of legwork, but there are also so many legitimate "expenses" including cost of inventory. And it gets easier and more routine every year.

I did schedule C as well....and that is what they didn't like....maybe they can't fathom selling 10 or so cards on Ebay and immediately being over their threshold.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I did schedule C as well....and that is what they didn't like....maybe they can't fathom selling 10 or so cards on Ebay and immediately being over their threshold.

Fun!

Schedule C is appropriate if you are a dealer. It could be that they intend to poke at that a bit, just to make you prove that your approach to buying and selling meets the usual indicia of acting as a dealer.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

Fun!

Schedule C is appropriate if you are a dealer. It could be that they intend to poke at that a bit, just to make you prove that your approach to buying and selling meets the usual indicia of acting as a dealer.

Question, Nicolo: What if you're not a dealer, but just a collector who has sold one card in his collection through someone else? If Schedule C is not appropriate, then what schedule is?

Thank you, my friend. I need the help. (read as HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ---Brian Powell

[Yoda]

Did you realize significant capital gains from the sale of baseball cards in 2021? If so that might have been the red flag that prompted the audit.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Did you realize significant capital gains from the sale of baseball cards in 2021? If so that might have been the red flag that prompted the audit.

Not really. I had enough sales to trigger a 1099, but offsetting auction purchases and PSA fees....

[glchen]

It wasn't a full blown audit, but I also had the IRS question my schedule C for my baseball card revenue a few years back, and I basically just downloaded my ebay sales and sent it to them, and that was enough to satisfy the IRS in that case.

I don't know about your case, Bobby, but I think in general from what I've read here, is that if year after year, you are always reporting losses on your schedule C for your business, that's going to be a red flag for the IRS and get you audited. I'm not a CPA, so I probably have no clue what I'm talking about, but the IRS probably figures that if your business is always losing money, you would just close up shop and not continue anymore unless you are using it as an illegal tax shelter. Again, this is probably not you, and it just may have been an unlucky draw in this case.

[stlcardsfan]

Originally Posted by glchen

It wasn't a full blown audit, but I also had the IRS question my schedule C for my baseball card revenue a few years back, and I basically just downloaded my ebay sales and sent it to them, and that was enough to satisfy the IRS in that case.

I don't know about your case, Bobby, but I think in general from what I've read here, is that if year after year, you are always reporting losses on your schedule C for your business, that's going to be a red flag for the IRS and get you audited. I'm not a CPA, so I probably have no clue what I'm talking about, but the IRS probably figures that if your business is always losing money, you would just close up shop and not continue anymore unless you are using it as an illegal tax shelter. Again, this is probably not you, and it just may have been an unlucky draw in this case.

This is known as the "hobby loss" rule. I believe if you lose money on a Sch C for 3 of the past 5 years the IRS can declare it a hobby and preclude you from taking such losses.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

This is known as the "hobby loss" rule. I believe if you lose money on a Sch C for 3 of the past 5 years the IRS can declare it a hobby and preclude you from taking such losses.

Yep. IRC Section 183(d) provides a safe harbor. If your business has net income for 3 of the last 5 years, then it meets the safe harbor to be a business and not a hobby.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Question, Nicolo: What if you're not a dealer, but just a collector who has sold one card in his collection through someone else? If Schedule C is not appropriate, then what schedule is?

Thank you, my friend. I need the help. (read as HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ---Brian Powell

If you're an investor or a collector, then the fun starts on Form 8949, and flows to Schedule D.

If you read the instructions to form 8949, there are some instructions that specifically speak to the sale of collectibles, and how the action gets reported.

[notfast]

What kind of sales did you do in 2021

Dollar amount

[mrreality68]

Ugh

The pitfalls of collecting and/or investing

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by notfast

What kind of sales did you do in 2021

Dollar amount

35k

[Exhibitman]

Not a surprise. Lower dollar and middle class tax returns are more likely to be audited than wealthy tax returns because small fry are easier to go after. You don't pick a fight with an 800# gorilla when you can beat up a spider monkey instead.

Your situation is unique and fact-driven, so there is no advice you can get here that will be worthwhile except to hire either an accountant or an attorney with audit defense experience. Sorry, but that's the reality of it. That said, I do have a few casual thoughts on the issues that part-time dealers face in general:

If there is a hobby vs. business challenge, did you follow the requirements of your state for doing business? For nearly all states, that would include applying for a resale permit and collecting and remitting sales taxes. If you did that, the odds of being labeled a hobby fall drastically.

One other thing to remember when dealing with tax authorities is that testimony is evidence. Just because you do not have a piece of paper does not mean you have no evidence of what you paid for a card. You will be surprised at how well you can recall card deals. I know I was recently when I bumped into a dealer who'd sold me some cards a decade earlier. I remembered exactly which cards I got from him. I can't remember to put away my shoes but the details of buying a 1967 Ken Holtzman signed card a decade earlier, yup.

Finally, preparation is key. Get your records in order and gather your thoughts in advance of meeting with the auditor and be ready to respond. Do not think you can outwit or anticipate the issue raised. You can't. You just have to play it where it lays.

[Moonshot Moose]

Also, is it a full audit, or are they doing a line-item audit? Usually done through the mail.