1961 Post Cereal Cards With Box

[Hankphenom]

Several months ago, I posted on the memorabilia side a picture of my c.1950 Kellogg's Corn Flakes back panel with the uncut Washington Nationals sun visor. That post elicited some wonderful similar cereal issues with the box intact, including an incredible 1940s Kellogg's Pep complete box with the celebrity rings offer containing an image of the Babe Ruth ring. Thanks to a Net54 member, I just got this 95% complete 1961 Post Toasties box including the panel of seven cards. In doing some research on this card set of 200 players from the 1960 season, I was surprised to come across just one other of these boxes, a mint condition flattened full box pictured in an article about the Post Cereal series. I found a few uncut panels, but no unopened boxes or even opened ones. I was interested to learn that my box was the very first of that generation of 1960s through 1980s cards on boxes of cereal and other products, and that there was an interesting twist to one of the cards on this box. Because the offer was issued in early 1961, they of course used players from the 1960 season, but in the meantime, the Washington team had moved to Minneapolis-St. Paul (the most devastating event of my childhood, by the way!) As explained in an ad taken out in Minnesota newspapers containing an abject apology, somebody at the company assumed that they would be called the "Minneapolis Senators," and used the city's name instead of the correct "Minnesota Twins" on the cards of former Washington players. Seems like small potatoes today, but it must have caused some kind of stink when the first printing came out on millions of boxes of Post cereals, because they actually went to the trouble of redoing the boxes for later printings to correct the "error." I love that the Bob Allison (a big hero of this D.C. kid, rookie of the year!) card pictured in the article is actually on my box. Anyway, I'm hoping this post will elicit other boxes or at least comments from collectors of the cards they were cut out of. I'm thinking this one will make a wonderful framed display as a companion to my Kellogg's panel.
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...s-minneapolis/

[nolemmings]

Neat box! Always loved those panels and boxes. The Post Cereal backstory probably warrants further investigation though. The team name was announced in November 1960, and Post Cereal had enough of a presence in Minnesota to know the name-selection rumors beforehand rather than relying on some guy. Also, if they thought they were going to be called the Minneapolis Senators, why not print that on the cards, rather than just Minneapolis?

Seems more likely the cards were printed before late November--several players had changes made to show a new team on the updated, perforated versions, and those trades seemed to occur in December, 1960. Finally, I do not believe they ever corrected the boxes, instead they allowed orders of complete team sheets that showed the updates.

And yes, Bob Allison was a real favorite in Minnesota too! He wore no. 4, and my aunt thought he was the most handsome player to ever don a Twins uniform. The rest of us were just glad he could hit. Flashed some real leather in the '65 series too, as noted by Vin Scully:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUQCLfttnxE

[Mark17]

Here's Garagiola's NBC radio call of that play that I combined with the color film version:

http://vendiamo.com/X/s/Allison.wmv

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Neat box! Always loved those panels and boxes. The Post Cereal backstory probably warrants further investigation though. The team name was announced in November 1960, and Post Cereal had enough of a presence in Minnesota to know the name-selection rumors beforehand rather than relying on some guy. Also, if they thought they were going to be called the Minneapolis Senators, why not print that on the cards, rather than just Minneapolis? Seems more likely the cards were printed before late November--several players had changes made to show a new team on the updated, perforated versions, and those trades seemed to occur in December, 1960. Finally, I do not believe they ever corrected the boxes, instead they allowed orders of complete team sheets that showed the updates. And yes, Bob Allison was a real favorite in Minnesota too! He wore no. 4, and my aunt thought he was the most handsome player to ever don a Twins uniform. The rest of us were just glad he could hit. Flashed some real leather in the '65 series too, as noted by Vin Scully:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUQCLfttnxE

I took my information from Mueller's article, which he presumably took from the credited Dan Mabey book on the '61 Post set. He says, "the errors were corrected in a second printing that allowed collectors to send in for 10-card team sheets that were separated by perforations." I assume they didn't have the official team nickname yet, or, as you say, why wouldn't they have printed that, instead of the * and the note of "former Washington Senators." And perhaps the "Minnesota" variation came only on the send-away team sets, which from my box Mabey seems to be in error about those only being available from the second printing of the cereal boxes. That offer is available on mine, which is supposed to be a first printing with "Minneapolis," so maybe there was only one printing of the boxes, and the "Minnesota" correction was made in time to send out with the the perforated team sets. I guess the test would be whether there are any non-perforated Twins cards with "Minnesota" instead of "Minneapolis." I love this geeky stuff. And yes, Allison should have been pictured in the dictionary to illustrate the word "hunk." For D.C. fans, he was Frank Howard before Frank Howard!

[Hankphenom]

Anyone? Bueller?

[Jay Wolt]

Had a nice '62 & '63 box, always wanted a '61
Here's the '63 to help put this thread to the top of the page

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Had a nice '62 & '63 box, always wanted a '61
Here's the '63 to help put this thread to the top of the page.

Wow, that's a beauty! Thanks, Jay.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So the cards on the grape-nut boxes could only be found on those? Do you know if that was true of other cereals, also, did they have cards unique to their boxes only? Do collectors of these cards distinguish between those cut out of boxes and the perforated examples you sent away for? Any idea what a complete 1961 set would go for? Thanks for you help.

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Had a nice '62 & '63 box, always wanted a '61
Here's the '63 to help put this thread to the top of the page

That is a gorgeous box. Congrats.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

I took my information from Mueller's article, which he presumably took from the credited Dan Mabey book on the '61 Post set. He says, "the errors were corrected in a second printing that allowed collectors to send in for 10-card team sheets that were separated by perforations." I assume they didn't have the official team nickname yet, or, as you say, why wouldn't they have printed that, instead of the * and the note of "former Washington Senators." And perhaps the "Minnesota" variation came only on the send-away team sets, which from my box Mabey seems to be in error about those only being available from the second printing of the cereal boxes. That offer is available on mine, which is supposed to be a first printing with "Minneapolis," so maybe there was only one printing of the boxes, and the "Minnesota" correction was made in time to send out with the the perforated team sets. I guess the test would be whether there are any non-perforated Twins cards with "Minnesota" instead of "Minneapolis." I love this geeky stuff. And yes, Allison should have been pictured in the dictionary to illustrate the word "hunk." For D.C. fans, he was Frank Howard before Frank Howard!

It is my understanding that every Twins card printed on a box said "Minneapolis" and every Twins card printed on the company sheet said "Minnesota". I don't believe there are any exceptions to that.
As for complete boxes, there are many collectors on this website who specialize in Post Cereal and Jell-o cards, and they have extensive collections of boxes and panels. Unfortunately for me, my collection is pretty weak in that stuff.
I expect that many of those advanced collectors will chime in, and show some of the amazing stuff that they have.

[cannonballsun]

Here is one of the rarest Post Cereal boxes from the 1962 set. That is probably of more interest to Post Cereal Master set collectors than the regular Post Cereal collector.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

Here is one of the rarest Post Cereal boxes from the 1962 set. That is probably of more interest to Post Cereal Master set collectors than the regular Post Cereal collector.

This is probably the rarest box from the 1962 Post Cereal Football set. I don't own it, but I'm happy to say the owner is a friend of mine. This is thought to be a one of one, the only one in existence.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

Here is one of the rarest Post Cereal boxes from the 1962 set. That is probably of more interest to Post Cereal Master set collectors than the regular Post Cereal collector.

Why do you say that? Apparently, the relative rarity of the grape-nuts boxes is due to that cereal's unpopularity among kids at the time. I actually liked it, but they were hard to eat, you really had to let them soak in the milk for a while.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

It is my understanding that every Twins card printed on a box said "Minneapolis" and every Twins card printed on the company sheet said "Minnesota". I don't believe there are any exceptions to that.
As for complete boxes, there are many collectors on this website who specialize in Post Cereal and Jell-o cards, and they have extensive collections of boxes and panels. Unfortunately for me, my collection is pretty weak in that stuff.
I expect that many of those advanced collectors will chime in, and show some of the amazing stuff that they have.

I hope so! I'd like to see if anybody has another '61 box to get a fix on just how rare it might be. And thanks for the info.