Just what is a "complete" T205 set?

[orioles70]

I apologize in advance if this subject has been raised before but over many years I have seen and heard several versions of what a "complete" T205 set contains...I am curious to hear other collector opinions on just how many cards they consider are in a "complete" T205 set....what is the number?

Is it simply a card of all of the different players?

Is it a card of all the different fronts since some players have front pic variations?...Collins, Wallace, etc.

How about "minor" front variations?...Crandall

Does it have to contain all the variations including back variations?...Hoblitzell, Moran, etc.

What about an example of all the different tobacco brands?...Hindu, Drum, etc.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts
John

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[Cozumeleno]

I can't speak to the backs at all as I don't track those. But there are 208 different cards considered to be the 'basic' set. That includes the two team changes for Graham and Shean, who each have Cubs and Rustlers cards.

Beyond that is where the fun begins. PSA considers 221 needed for a master set, so they've added 13 to get there, which are the more well-known errors, including the Hoblitzells, Matty one loss, etc.

Beyond that are even more. I have ten different ones cataloged on my site and there are surely more than that. Some have only been brought to light in the last few years and my guess is that many more exist. Here are the 23 cards beyond the 208 that I know of so far. I've tried to keep track of the ones I've seen mentioned but I'm not sure of any other comprehensive listing of all of them out on the internet. Happy to add others that are known about as well that I'm missing.

[orioles70]

Thanks for the info on those other variations...Well, I don't know about those other 10 cards you listed but I have 219 of the 221...I am missing the Wilhelm "suffered" and Mathewson "1 Loss" variations...I also have at least 2 cards with all the different tobacco brands on back including 2 Drum and 2 Hindu backs...I guess I do consider my T205 set complete but it would be kinda nice to get those other 2 variations sometime

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[Cozumeleno]

Nice - I stopped trying at 208 but have bought another 8-10 of the others when I've found them cheap enough. I'm not much of an errors/master set guy so I'm not too worried about it. But nice to find them when I can.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Nice - I stopped trying at 208 but have bought another 8-10 of the others when I've found them cheap enough. I'm not much of an errors/master set guy so I'm not too worried about it. But nice to find them when I can.

This is where I am. It has taken me long enough to find the cards in EX to NM condition to get to 208 and I still have a few upgrades. I won't ever get the Hoblitzell no stats or Wilhelm suffered and will only get the others if I can get them cheap too. I am happy at 208 plus whatever variations I end up with.

[gonzo]

The basic set is the 208 as folks have mentioned above. Note that the different pictures are distinct cards, not variations as such. “Collins Open Mouth” and “Collins Closed Mouth” are just different cards, like “Cobb Bat On” and “Cobb Bat Off” for T206s.

The “Master Set” is really whichever variations you decide you want to collect. The PSA and SGC registries have their own opinions about which variations to include. I wouldn’t consider those “official” outside of the context of the specific registry. Some people choose one of those to go by, especially if they have a set registered. Both are slow to add new variations, and I’d suggest only using them as a starting point and adding whatever variations you find interesting even if the registries don’t list them. “Unlisted” variations tend to be less expensive than “official” ones, since registry folks are chasing the latter.


Probably the best way to learn about “unlisted” variations is this board. If you search in Google for
site:net54baseball.com new t205 variation
that alone gives a wealth of information from other board members.


A few highlights, some already mentioned in Cozumeleno’s link above:

The Collins Closed Mouth “Yellow Elephant”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150383

A missing decimal point for Sovereign Fred Snodgrass:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=218157

Printing differences for Hoffman, including the “green stripe”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=192728

A few Titus cards have a blotch over the world “has”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243236

Some Honest Long Cut Latham cards seem to have remnants of the “W.” before the “A. Latham” on the back.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240610

Doc White missing quotes on Polar Bear backs
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=140229

and a few others.


Individual collectors have different opinions on what “should” count as a variation versus a print defect, so keep that in mind when reading these threads. But it’s really up to the individual collector, what they want to collect!

[Cozumeleno]

Thanks, Michael - didn't know about the Snodgrass before and have added it.

[Leon]

Nice write up on the subject.

Originally Posted by gonzo

The basic set is the 208 as folks have mentioned above. Note that the different pictures are distinct cards, not variations as such. “Collins Open Mouth” and “Collins Closed Mouth” are just different cards, like “Cobb Bat On” and “Cobb Bat Off” for T206s.

The “Master Set” is really whichever variations you decide you want to collect. The PSA and SGC registries have their own opinions about which variations to include. I wouldn’t consider those “official” outside of the context of the specific registry. Some people choose one of those to go by, especially if they have a set registered. Both are slow to add new variations, and I’d suggest only using them as a starting point and adding whatever variations you find interesting even if the registries don’t list them. “Unlisted” variations tend to be less expensive than “official” ones, since registry folks are chasing the latter.


Probably the best way to learn about “unlisted” variations is this board. If you search in Google for
site:net54baseball.com new t205 variation
that alone gives a wealth of information from other board members.


A few highlights, some already mentioned in Cozumeleno’s link above:

The Collins Closed Mouth “Yellow Elephant”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150383

A missing decimal point for Sovereign Fred Snodgrass:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=218157

Printing differences for Hoffman, including the “green stripe”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=192728

A few Titus cards have a blotch over the world “has”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243236

Some Honest Long Cut Latham cards seem to have remnants of the “W.” before the “A. Latham” on the back.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240610

Doc White missing quotes on Polar Bear backs
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=140229

and a few others.


Individual collectors have different opinions on what “should” count as a variation versus a print defect, so keep that in mind when reading these threads. But it’s really up to the individual collector, what they want to collect!