1960 Pittsburgh Pirates Championship Team Ball Opinions

[soughtseven1035]

Hey guys,
This is my first post at the forum, but it looks like a great place to be. If I could get as many opinions on this ball as possible, it would really help me out. I want to get it graded by PSA, but $150 seems like a bit much when I'm not even 50% sure this ball is real.

It has Clemente, Vernon, and others on it. I drew a line underneath the Hal Smith with photoshop because it looked a little fishy to me. The bottom half of Hal is completely gone here and no trace it was ever there. That seems like a stamp had been placed on the ball and that part was never inked. Please let me know as many opinions on it as possible.

[Lordstan]

Unfortunately for you, your instincts are correct. It is clearly a stamped ball.

[soughtseven1035]

Right now it's a 2/2. I need to get more opinions. How sure are you and why?

[earlywynnfan]

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

[soughtseven1035]

thanks guys, more opinions please. sorry i just want so much for this to be real. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing in telling me because hes a huge pirates fan and this is what he told me:

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

[MikeKam]

100% stamped, sorry.

[almostdone]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

Not to sound like a jerk but if this guy constantly sends in things to be graded and pay big buck to do so why wouldn't he do it with this ball. If it was me and I was convinced I would send it, get authentication on it and sell for a huge profit.
Me thinks he isn't being as honest as you would like him to be.
Drew

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

^^Yes this^^

Stamped souvenir ball