t206 with no name

[Mountaineer1999]

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[ZachS]

I just dropped a $1K max bid. Thanks for the heads up!

[Mountaineer1999]

Dang it Zach.... Torched my $499.99!

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Dang it Zach.... Torched my $499.99!

Just lowered my bid to $500. Thanks for the heads up!

In all seriousness though I'd have to agree with Brendan. Without being able to view the card in person you'd be taking a big risk.

[Mountaineer1999]

I kind of thought so. If the name were missing the colors on the card would be different as well.

I withdrew my 499.99 Zach so your safe to lower it a bit more. =)

[ZachS]

The auction is almost over. Keep an eye on it and if it's at a price that you're willing to risk then go for it.

[Bpm0014]

Without seeing the card in hand it's hard to say. However....I'd bet a large amount of money that it has been altered. No, these are not common at all. Ask the seller if he will guarantee that it has not been altered and will grade numerically....

[Bpm0014]

But again, impossible to tell from a scan.

[atx840]

The chipping looks suspect, not sure SGC would label as no name.

I hope it's real for the buyer, good price if it is.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by atx840

The chipping looks suspect, not sure SGC would label as no name.

I hope it's real for the buyer, good price if it is.

You guys know more about T206 than I do but I agree about the bottom of the card looking suspect. However, I can't see erasure so who knows.... Good luck to the buyer....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deacon-Phill...vip=true&rt=nc



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[mrvster]

I spotted this one immediately......someone is taking a big risk on it...

near IMPOSSIBLE to tell from the scan....99.9% of T206 "no namers" are really not authentic "no namers".... the only way to tell is black light , then loupe....

this card will have no validity unless slabbed! no name T206 are the easiest to alter I heard.....

if I could guess from scan......erasure/chipping suspect......


love to take bets on this..;I vote NOT

[t206hound]

I'm with you JV... that's why my max bid was around $90.

[ullmandds]

technically ebay protects the buyer if card is not as advertised?

[atx840]

Nicely done guys!

[mrvster]

great job!


the fear with the "no names"(I have heard, just hearsay) is that I have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them but I think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

great job!


The fear with the "no names"(i have heard, just hearsay) is that i have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them But i think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

what kind of hocus pocus is this...and why wouldn't it remove the other colors/borders as well?

MY FRIEND HAS A JOSS WITH NO NAME...BUT IT IS OBVIOUS(TO ME) THE NAME WAS REMOVED WITH BLEACH AS THE BORDERS LOOK PASTY AND PART OF THE BROWN/BLACK FRAME HAS ALSO BEEN REMOVED IN THE PROCESS CREATING A BROKEN/NON-CONTINUOUS LOOK TO THE BORDER.

[mrvster]

just to the caption area???.....very light......but I would suspect a chemical smell or something would be left behind??.......bleach ........pete.....you should sacrifice a beater T206.....apply a tiny bit of bleach on a qtip to the caption area....try a few different chemicals on a few $5 beaters maybe....see if a smell is left behind also???

kevin saucier is the expert on card alterations......is he still around????

[mrvster]

oh.......I didn't see what you wrote about the joss..............I have never even soaked a T206 or any card....but I would be curious to what the experts like kevin would have to say.....

your card looks good......wish we could slab it ourselves

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mrvster

great job!


the fear with the "no names"(I have heard, just hearsay) is that I have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them but I think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

No test was done for chemicals, either in my first tests or in the ones that David and I later did together. We outlined the tests we did. The results did not prove that nothing was done to the card, but they showed that nothing was revealed by the tests we conducted. Personally, I have a hard time believing that 104-yr old ink could be removed by chemicals without leaving any trace of the lettering, but if someone wants to show evidence that it's possible, I look forward to seeing it.

There are additional tests that can be done to cards or to mounted photos, but for most of them expense and possible damage to the item has to be considered. A good example is the infamous cdv that Saco auctioned, that was discussed here extensively. I was able to show that an albumen photo could be soaked off of a period mount and then reapplied to another, using the same glue from the original print, and leaving no evidence of tampering....other than water content in the item. Such a test would be worth conducting for a high-value item such as the aforementioned cdv, but not for less expensive items. Chemical testing for T206's is probably less-expensive of a test, but not worth doing for low-value items, unless someone knows something I don't, and that's very likely.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by atx840

Nicely done guys!

Thank you Chris.