Poll: What is your opinion on the value of T206 WST (Wet Sheet Transfers)?

[Eric72]

As some of you know, I picked up a T206 WST over the weekend, and am pretty excited. I started a thread about it and someone weighed in about the premium (or lack thereof) placed on these cards.

Being the curious type, I figured I would post a poll here to see where people think the values on these print oddities should be.

Thanks, in advance, to all who participate. Additionally, I want to thank Leon for helping me figure out how to post a poll.

Best Regards,


Eric

[Leon]

Hi Eric
Poll Questions can only be 100 total characters long so you need to revise yours, specifically 3,4 and 5, I believe. Sorry about that.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Eric
Poll Questions can only be 100 total characters long so you need to revise yours, specifically 3,4 and 5, I believe. Sorry about that.

Leon,

Thanks again for helping me with this. I believe the revisions have been done successfully.

My apologies for being so verbose

Best Regards,

Eric

[mrvster]

keep the hunt going.....alot of the "thrill" is seeing one pop up somewhere....the more dramatic the wst, the more the premuim is the rule of thumb....the problem is putting a number on it

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by mrvster

...the more dramatic the wst, the more the premuim is the rule of thumb....the problem is putting a number on it

Johnny,

Thanks for weighing in here. What you say makes quite a bit of sense.

Best Regards,

Eric

[deadballfreaK]

Not a T206, but I just found this one. Actually have had it for years, but I never thought it amounted to much.

[ethicsprof]

I think they're a very interesting anomaly, particularly when I see them on
Tolstoi cards.
I'd pay a small to medium premium.
all the best,
barry

[fkm_bky]

I would (and have) paid a slight premium on them, because of their uniqueness. It all depends on the level of detail in the transfer and the situation. To me they are certainly in a separate category to ghost images and mis-prints, with the latter two commanding more of a premium. Great poll and discussion though.

Question; with the case of a WST from a different brand on a card, would people lean towards that happening at the time of production, or the case that Steve put forth, where conditions were just right (or wrong) and over time in storage the ink transferred over?

I guess I would lean towards Steve's theory, but I am not too versed on how or where the different brands were produced (same factory, same time, different brand - see example below).

Thanks!

Bill

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by fkm_bky

I would (and have) paid a slight premium on them, because of their uniqueness. It all depends on the level of detail in the transfer and the situation. To me they are certainly in a separate category to ghost images and mis-prints, with the latter two commanding more of a premium. Great poll and discussion though.

Question; with the case of a WST from a different brand on a card, would people lean towards that happening at the time of production, or the case that Steve put forth, where conditions were just right (or wrong) and over time in storage the ink transferred over?

I guess I would lean towards Steve's theory, but I am not too versed on how or where the different brands were produced (same factory, same time, different brand - see example below).

Thanks!

Bill

Bill - I think the 'different front and back ad' is almost certainly from cards being stuck together for a long time. But yours is very nice.

It doesn't make sense that a sheet of Sweet Caps would be stacked on a sheet of Polar Bears, since the cards are going in different packs.

[Runscott]

I own a few, and it was on purpose, but I didn't (and wouldn't) pay a premium. If the WST was different from the back ad, then I would pay a BIG premium.

[Sean]

Can anyone explain this one. I think it must be a wet sheet transfer, but I've never seen one so dark.

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[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Sean

Can anyone explain this one. I think it must be a wet sheet transfer, but I've never seen one so dark.

Hi Sean,

Ron Kornacki explained in another thread how this may have happened on the press. Keep in mind he was talking about how front images would be printed on the back, so for your card think about it in reverse.

"I'm not sure of the exact printing method that was used back then. Maybe it was offset printing where a plate image transfers to a blanket cylinder and then onto the paper. If the paper is not fed, the blanket image will transfer to the impression cylinder. If that happens, a reversed image would print on the back side of the paper the same time the image is printed on the front. Normally the impression cylinder would be cleaned if a misfeed happened before feeding another sheet in to avoid the error reverse printing. This is most likely the reason for how detailed some wet sheet transfers are. Its because Tim's card is actually an impression cylinder transfer and not a wet sheet transfer."

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Hi Sean,

Ron Kornacki explained in another thread how this may have happened on the press. Keep in mind he was talking about how front images would be printed on the back, so for your card think about it in reverse.

"I'm not sure of the exact printing method that was used back then. Maybe it was offset printing where a plate image transfers to a blanket cylinder and then onto the paper. If the paper is not fed, the blanket image will transfer to the impression cylinder. If that happens, a reversed image would print on the back side of the paper the same time the image is printed on the front. Normally the impression cylinder would be cleaned if a misfeed happened before feeding another sheet in to avoid the error reverse printing. This is most likely the reason for how detailed some wet sheet transfers are. Its because Tim's card is actually an impression cylinder transfer and not a wet sheet transfer."

Great stuff - missed Ron's post. I have one of these (not a great one) and always wondered how they were created.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Great stuff - missed Ron's post. I have one of these (not a great one) and always wondered how they were created.

Hi Scott, Here's the post Tim was talking about.

T205 Print? Oddity
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=164688

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Abravefan11;1098910]Hi Sean,

Ron Kornacki explained in another thread how this may have happened on the press. Keep in mind he was talking about how front images would be printed on the back, so for your card think about it in reverse.

"I'm not sure of the exact printing method that was used back then. Maybe it was offset printing where a plate image transfers to a blanket cylinder and then onto the paper. If the paper is not fed, the blanket image will transfer to the impression cylinder. If that happens, a reversed image would print on the back side of the paper the same time the image is printed on the front. Normally the impression cylinder would be cleaned if a misfeed happened before feeding another sheet in to avoid the error reverse printing. This is most likely the reason for how detailed some wet sheet transfers are. Its because Tim's card is actually an impression cylinder transfer and not a wet sheet transfer."


Tim, thank you once again for some helpful information. I think you've put more work into my set than I have these last two months. Now I will have to distinguish between a wet sheet transfer and this Tinker "impression cylinder transfer." But at least I understand how it happened. Sort of.

[Eric72]

Wow!

Nearly 100 votes…and the views are approaching 1,000.

I would like to take a moment to thank everyone who has participated in this thread thus far.

Regardless of what your stance is on the value of a T206 WST, I appreciate all those who weighed in here and truly value all of your opinions. It has been a tremendous learning experience.

Keep up the great discussion.

Best Regards,

Eric

[mrvster]

You are what makes this board great

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by mrvster

You are what makes this board great

Johnny,

Thanks for the kind words, bro. Glad to know I am making a contribution here.

Be well, my friend...and please know that I find your enthusiasm for this hobby to be incredibly addictive.

Best,

Eric

[atx840]

I used to own this one, different pass possibly. It's missing the bottom portion and some PL.

[Eric72]

Chris,

Thank you very much for posting these images. They look amazing.

And I do see your point regarding the overlay of Piedmont ad blue ink on top of the image transfer in the first picture.

Originally Posted by atx840

Neat Steve.
A while ago I took a high res scan for board member, it does appear to be under the Piedmont ad and "printed" more so then a transfer from another sheet.

In the second one, I am not so sure.

Originally Posted by atx840

I used to own this one, different pass possibly. It's missing the bottom portion and some PL.

Is it possible that these two cards were subjected to different print processes?

Best,

Eric

[Sean]

Bump

[Tao_Moko]

I'd like to say that it should not increase the value but I would pay a slight premium for a ghost of one of my favorite players. It is really pretty neat to see the ghost of Cy on a card. We are truly over the edge on finding variations to add value but it keeps things exciting.