Was this really an 1890 Players League player cabinet?

[packs]

Hi everyone,

I saw this auction on eBay and watched it to its conclusion. It sold for over $900. I do not believe that this person was on the 1890 Chicago Pirates of the Players League. I looked at several known cabinets of the 1890 team and could not match him up to anyone featured on the known cabinets. Can anyone ID this cabinet as a player on the 1890 team?

Auction link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120799196399...84.m1438.l2649


Known 1890 cabinets:

1890 Chicago team photo. I know it says White Stocking but that has to be a mistake as Silver King is pictured and only played for the Chicago Pirates in 1890 and never played for another Chicago team, therefore this must be a photo of the 1890 Pirates. He is pictured in this photo to the left of Jimmy Ryan who also played for the 1890 Pirates. Comiskey's photo (top center) in the cabinet is the same portrait featured on his confirmed 1890 Players League cabinet.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/11/88/38/43/1890wh10.jpg


1890 cabinet of Comiskey : Note the green lettering in the mount

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...100&category=1

[TobaccoKing4]

I am new here and far from adequetly informed about these 1890 Chicago Pirates cards. But, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't a baseball player for a couple of reasons.
The first thing I noticed was it doesn't have the writing above the portrait that I saw on all the other graded examples I looked at, that there was a red flag.
I looked at the team portrait and I didn't think I saw him. I used the hair style as a clue I know duffy used one similar later on in his career but if you look at his picture on the portrait they are clearly different players. The only player on the team card with the same hair is Arlie Latham and there is an example of his card on google images.

Im really curious what everyone else thought about the card.

I think you are wrong on locating Silver King in the card also, unless I am mixing up your explanation. Here is a picture I found that is easier to identify the players. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=1890+...1t:429,r:5,s:0

[slidekellyslide]

I had it on my watch list, but knowing I wasn't really going to bid on it I never did any research on it..The writing on the back of the cabinet I don't think is period.

[packs]

I might have mixed his image location up but King is identified on the cabinet you posted as well.

[joeadcock]

The back of the Cabinet identified as 1890 Chicago Pirates. It appears to be mislabeled as you state.

The player appears to be TOM DALY.
He played for the Chicago White Stockings before 1890. The Chicago White Stockings ended in 1888.

The first cabinet pictured shows him right lower(from 1887)
Second cabinet shows him again right lower corner(he has a mustache), from 1888.

Steven Art Studios Cabinets are listed in the Standard Card Catalog, as either Chicago White Stockings or Chicago Pirates from 1890. He was not a member of either team in 1890. So, therefore, the penciled in caption on back of cabinet is incorrect.

Therefore, it appears the Steven Art Studios made Cabinets prior to 1890, assuming all their subjects were Chicago(he played for them in 1887 and 1888). If this is further confirmed, perhaps it can be corrected in future editions of Standard Catalog.

Of further interest, Heritage Auctions sold a Steven Arts Studios Cabinet clearly labeled 1888(see cabinet at very bottom on the right), in the April 2010 auction. The player is Duke Farrell. He played for the Chicago White Stockings. The difference between the 1888 cabinet and the one just sold today on Ebay is that this one does not show the date of 1888, in fact the only date is the incorrect penciled in 1890 on the back side. THE MYSTERY DEEPENS.

Interesting stuff.

[joeadcock]

Packs

Here is the auction on the Steven Arts Studios Cabinet that just ended few hours ago.
Compare to the other cabinets above, and I am sure you will agree it is Daly. His face is simply facing to the left as opposed to the 1887 cabinet where he faces to the right.