1900 Brooklyn Baseball Team Schedule

[asphaltman]

Hello guys. I had asked a couple different folks who I'd consider to have about as much knowledge as possible in this hobby and whom have seen about everything there is to see and still haven't been able to acquire too much info on this item.

What I know -

Not a "cabinet" size you might associate with many of these team portrait cards. It's only about 5 1/2" by 5 1/4" or so when opened.

The photography was done by Gardner and Co, out of Brooklyn and it was printed by F. Collyer.


Below is the subjects on the portraits. My thought right now is it may have been handed out at the first game of the season...(based on Doc Casey being featured, when he only played one game in 1900).

Cather - J.T. (Deacon) Mcguire

Outfielder - J.J. (Joe) Kelley HOF

Outfielder - J.T. (Jimmy) Sheckard

Outfielder - W.H. (Willie) Keeler HOF

Outfielder - F.A. (Fielder) Jones

Third Base - L.N. (Lave) Cross

Pitcher - J.H. (Jerry) Nops

Pitcher - W. (Brickyard) Kennedy

Pitcher - F.R. (Frank) Kitson

Catcher - C.A. (Duke) Farrell

First Base - Hughie Jennings HOF

Shortstop - W.F. (Bill) Dahlen

Second Base - E. (Gene) DeMontreville

Second Base - T.P. (Tom) Daly

Third Base - J.R. (Doc) Casey

Pitcher - J. (Jack) Dunn

Pitcher - H. (Harry) Howell

Pitcher - J. (Joe) McGinnity HOF

Manager - E. (Ned) Hanlon HOF

President - C.H. (Charles) Ebbets


Would love to hear if anyone has seen these before, has one or has any info on them. If you have seen them in what condition? I wish the front of this one wasn't messed up from being in a scrapbook but that's the case, ow does it affect the value on these types of schedule cards?

Thanks for any help or info.

P.S. - my scan with the players' portraits didn't quite come out right color wise...it's actually closer in tone to the back scan...but I didn't want to fudge with the image.

[barrysloate]

As I told you most schedules from that era do not picture the players, and that is a big plus. There are also five HOFers on the team, not too shabby. I also think some of the scrapbook paper can be removed from the front. Not sure of the vaue though, or for that matter how much of the front is actually missing. I think it's a great piece.

[asphaltman]

Barry -

Yes a couple spots of paper may be removeable by an expert...after looking closely I would NOT be that expert.


From what I was told this came from a scrapbook from someone on the West Coast that was filled with all sorts of things from the Brooklyn-New York area. Could have been someone that maybe made a trip east and had a souviner from each place they visited?

And it would appear Brooklyn had a heck of a team that year.

[Bicem]

great piece, I really like it!

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by Bicem

great piece, I really like it!

Thank you Jeff. For the record, I won't try soaking it.

[Rob D.]

It's a keeper, for sure.

[triwak]

Nice!!!

[FrankWakefield]

Seriously, have you put it under a black light?

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Seriously, have you put it under a black light?

Um, no.

[smokelessjoe]

David,

Nice Schedule... I have been searching far and wide trying to find another one like this... So far nothing. I am afraid I can be of little assistance on this one. I would be interested if you decide to part with it!

Shawn

[Rob D.]

It might be worth posting this on the memorabilia side so even more folks will see it. To get their opinions on it.

[canjond]

It's unfortunate there is so much paperloss on the front. Would have loved to see what it looked like without it. I agree with Barry though - a little distilled water on a q-tip dabbed along the paper still stuck to the front should easily remove it. No professional needed.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by canjond

It's unfortunate there is so much paperloss on the front. Would have loved to see what it looked like without it. I agree with Barry though - a little distilled water on a q-tip dabbed along the paper still stuck to the front should easily remove it. No professional needed.

Jon -

If you scan down to the bottom of this page there is an 1895 scorecard with the same ad, other than it's Eastern Park instead of Washington Park.


http://www.covehurst.net/ddyte/brooklyn/dodgers.html

[smokelessjoe]

Hey,

After taking another look dave, i'm almost wanting to say this would be Joe Mcginnity's rookie piece, yes it's not an actual card...but I dont know if there is any earlier items with Mcginnity???

It is amazing to me how new things (new to me anyway) pop up like this every once in awhile... I have never seen this schedule before.

Shawn

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

Hey,

After taking another look dave, i'm almost wanting to say this would be Joe Mcginnity's rookie piece, yes it's not an actual card...but I dont know if there is any earlier items with Mcginnity???

It is amazing to me how new things (new to me anyway) pop up like this every once in awhile... I have never seen this schedule before.

Shawn

You may be right, i'm not sure if there's something that was earlier for McGinnity or not.

It his is same post from the E103, as it is for some others who are also featured on the E103, Keeler looks the same I know.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Shawn:

Excellent observation but, while 1900 is Joe's rookie year, this item is a team composite besides not being a "card" so it would not really qualify as a rookie piece. Joe's M101-1, also issued in 1900, would be his true rookie.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Shawn:

Excellent observation but, while 1900 is Joe's rookie year, this item is a team composite besides not being a "card" so it would not really qualify as a rookie piece. Joe's M101-1, also issued in 1900, would be his true rookie.

m101-1 also not a card though. Both items still very cool.

[FrankWakefield]

Well if you have a black light, take a moment to illuminate that schedule with it. Let us know if it fluoresces. And where did you acquire that schedule??

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Well if you have a black light, take a moment to illuminate that schedule with it. Let us know if it fluoresces. And where did you acquire that schedule??

I don't have a black light Frank. What exactly are you seeing as an issue? It's fake? ? It would be easier if you'd just say....

[FrankWakefield]

I don't think it's fake. But I'm not certain as to authenticity. The address is correct for the 2nd Washington Park. And the chronology of the year, dates,and days of the week are correct, I checked.

It looks like a pocket schedule... like the ones we see now, and they've been around for about 60 years or so. That one you have would be twice that old. Anyone here see a pocket schedule that folds like modern ones for the 1910's, or 1920's??

If it doesn't glow then we're good. A black light is one fine tool for a vintage collector, everyone fooling around here should have one. The lights are cheap. And one glowing card will pay for the cost of the light. The TPG guys should use one EVERY time; it would avoid the embarrassment of having something in a slab fluoresce, or maybe they'd not be embarrassed by that.

[asphaltman]

Well as I said Frank I appreicate any input. I do find it a bit confusing what would be the difference in you not thinking it's fake but questioning the authenticity?


As far as the size...5 1/2" by 5 1/4" or so...that was actually my very first eye brow raiser. I thought it was the smallest item I've seen that had the team portraits laid out like a team cabinet card.

I did ask who a couple folks that I'd label as probably some of the smartest and most educated in the hobby their thoughts...and I've heard the size wasn't "that unusual".

It feels real to me....and looks real to me...but I'm not an expert and if it left my hands and went into the hands of someone that is more educated they'll have to determine that....compared to what else? I don't know.

The greatest tool of this forum is to educate hopefully.

As far as where it came from, it was in a scrapbook on the west coast that had items from the Brooklyn-New York area from 1900. It would have appeared that someone may have taken a trip to NY and possibly kept items from the different places they visited.....it was the only baseball item.

[patricka]

Its definately a pocket schedule. The front is the same design as a 1900 Brooklyn program. I use to own a 1903 Yankees (Highlanders) schedule that had a somewhat similar picture on the inside. If yours did not have the scrapbook damage I would say it would be worth $300 to $500.

[smokelessjoe]

Dave,

If you intend on letting it go for the above mentioned prices, I may have something for trade you might be interested in?

Shawn