question about T206 printing marks

[J.McMurry]

I bought this card last week and noticed what appears to be a printers alignment mark on the right border. Are these common(please post yours if you have them). Is there any info to be gained from these marks as far as the printing process goes?

[Leon]

Yes, they are common as I have seen quite a few. I have seen them on caramel as well as tobacco cards....These have been shown many times but it does show the printer alignment marks rather well. regards

[E93]

Leon,
Just a friendly reminder; when you get tired of that Matty, let me know.
JimB

[usernamealreadytaken]

The fact that Leon's example is a blank back makes the piece quite intriguing. (Not seeing the back of the Miller card...) I would be a bit more skeptical of an otherwise normal card with such "marks." It seems too easy for someone to turn a $15 common into a $150+ peculiarity by adding some kind of mark and pass off as a printer's mark(s).

No allegation here, but in an era where a portion of a letter missing or a shade difference in color has collectors clamoring for a card, you can never be too cautious.

[J.McMurry]

The back of the Miller is a Piedmont 350.

I'm interested in hearing all input about the card,as I too have a strange feeling about the mark,but dont have near the knowledge as most on the board.

The card is a topps buyback card and I posted a full view in the september pickup thread.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by usernamealreadytaken

The fact that Leon's example is a blank back makes the piece quite intriguing. (Not seeing the back of the Miller card...) I would be a bit more skeptical of an otherwise normal card with such "marks." It seems too easy for someone to turn a $15 common into a $150+ peculiarity by adding some kind of mark and pass off as a printer's mark(s).

No allegation here, but in an era where a portion of a letter missing or a shade difference in color has collectors clamoring for a card, you can never be too cautious.

Good point about being a bit skeptical. That being said I don't think the mark on the example shown in the first post really adds any value to the card. Maybe about $1.48? And of course mine is a true proof whereas about 99.5% of cards with printer marks are not.

Jim- I guess anything is for sale for a price . take care now

[andybecker]

Originally Posted by Leon

Good point about being a bit skeptical. That being said I don't think the mark on the example shown in the first post really adds any value to the card. Maybe about $1.48? And of course mine is a true proof whereas about 99.5% of cards with printer marks are not.

i agree with leon.


anyone have another t206 proof to show?

[martyogelvie]

excuse my bad eyes or dirty monitor but is there a piece of a printer mark on the opposite side of the Miller card??

[onlychild]

I think what makes Leon's card even cooler is, that in true proof form, it has shading and color differences that was apparently not used in the final production.

Seems to me, much of the gray is missing and yellows (or stronger yellows) were added..as seen in the background. Any other color variations, red perhaps?

Kevin

[Leon]

Originally Posted by onlychild

I think what makes Leon's card even cooler is, that in true proof form, it has shading and color differences that was apparently not used in the final production.

Seems to me, much of the gray is missing and yellows (or stronger yellows) were added..as seen in the background. Any other color variations, red perhaps?

Kevin

Good points too, Kevin. We have talked about that proof quite a bit but there are numerous minute differences. His haircut is different, the background shading, many of the uniform wrinkles are different and I think there are some others too. regards

[Matthew H]

Leon's proof looks more like Matty than the standard white cap version. Pretty cool.

[barrysloate]

That Matty proof is a monster. Don't sell it Leon.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

That Matty proof is a monster. Don't sell it Leon.

And one good thing about the Matty proof....there won't be a hoard of them found making it a bit less special.

[nodgrass]

In Leon's proof, Matty's face certainly looks more like the dark cap version. I also noticed it is missing a couple of stripes on his hat.

[mrvster]

Hello All_
i have a phillipe with a similiar "print mark" in the top border....its a terrible scan, but also part 2 namer....i bought off ebay for like 60 bucks...i mainly collect t206 "freaks" and saw this example, said what the hell....they are a bit rarer than expected, but nothing real "exciting"....

there are some "printers crop marks" on some t206 backs, they are a bit tougher...theory- these marks where placed on sheets to align them for dicing....some of my examples are oddly cut which show parts/full crop marks on the backs....i have scanned ebay over the years and they occasionally pop up, but are tuff 2 find
to each his own, i place a primuim cause of there "rareness" but nothing crazy sweet like printers scrapall in all they are fun and unique...these examples are noteworthy tho...
as for matty proof....that is in a league of it's own and deserves a new thread devoted to it!! Leon!!LOL!!as u know, printers scrap is different than production t206..big differences..

Peace

Johnny

[tbarlage]

These are interesting as they have always seemed very random to me (sometimes on front, sometimes on back, sides, etc). As mentioned unless it is distinctly a proof they don't seem to get much of a premium although they seem like they should as other printing mishaps seem to. Attached are some I have held onto, the Young is hand cut/trimmed but can't say if it was actually a proof or not.

[mrvster]

TOM!!

great examples....i agree totally with you....actually, i picked one up from you w/ a partial"crop" on the top left border of a polar bear backw/ unique diamond cut....neat cards!!


johnny

[srs1a]

I got this card the other day, and, after taking a hard look at it, thought of this thread. Please take a look at each vertical border, at approximately halfway up/down the card. There are a couple of horizontal marks -- directly opposite from each other.



The right side is more visible -- a relatively bright blue horizontal mark. The left side is more subtle -- blue, but very light, almost transparent. It is hard to see in the scan, but it is very clear with a loupe. Below are scans of these marks.






The difference in these blues reminded me of post 131 in the following thread

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...+proof&page=14

So, what do you think? Are these some sort of printer's marks? Do they tell us something about the printing processes used?

[cfc1909]

Scott

if you look at 206s closely most have those marks-side to side and top to bottom.

Tom

I would think if the Young is a proof it would be a blank back.

[rp12367]

Nice Chase

[teetwoohsix]

One thing I found interesting about this Dots Miller T206 is that he has a "period" after his name instead of a "comma".........anyone else notice this?

Clayton

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

One thing I found interesting about this Dots Miller T206 is that he has a "period" after his name instead of a "comma".........anyone else notice this?

Good catch, Clayton! I love this stuff. It's actually a legit printing error in my opinion. In a quick survey of eBay, 3 of the 25 or so available had the period anomaly.

It looks to be Piedmont (350?) only.

2 just got snapped up today (I bought one) and the one other remaining is way-way overpriced for whatever reason.

Adding it to my list of cards (like leifield Partial G and Randall Milwaukef) to get SCD and ultimately SGC to recognize and put a premium on.

[sb1]

Memories of James Maxwell.

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Trae ,,,,,,,,,I had checked my Dots Miller card and it has a comma
Very interesting though, I wonder how many other cards have this period instead of the normal comma?

Clayton

[Luke]

I figured I would put my question in this thread, since it is related. I think this card was hand cut from a larger sheet. From top to bottom it's taller than any of my others. Obviously you can't measure the card from a scan, but what do you guys think? Are hand cut cards rare, and do they command any premium? Thanks a lot.

Luke

[cfc1909]

Back in the 80s and earlier there were many 206s like this-very large-now there are a lot of PSA 8 and 9s.

[steve B]

I wouldn't condemn all those 8s and 9s. There were also some really nice old cards around back then too. Hanging out at a shop I got to see some really great stuff come in still the way the original owners had stored it.

The card shown is trimmed for sure. Most hand cut cards aren't as nicely done, and usually have other stuff going on.


Steve B

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

Back in the 80s and earlier there were many 206s like this-very large-now there are a lot of PSA 8 and 9s.

This was funny Jim.
I could see why Luke would think it was hand-cut though. If it was a trim job, why wouldn't they have done a better job ,,,,,,,,

Clayton