Possible new discovery - t210 Series 5 PINK border

[shammus]

Got a large group of t210s in the mail today. As I was happily going through them, I found this card of Roth with entirely pink borders. Just thought I'd throw this up on the board to see if anyone had seen anything like this before and if people thought it was a new printing variation that we hadn't seen yet or if the card might be bleached either chemically or by the sun.

I'm leaning more towards a printing variation rather than being bleached for a few reasons -

1. The caption is a bright blue color. This indicates to me that color passes might have been missing during this cards initial print run. Captions on t210s, even orange variations, are normally black. Bleaching a card wouldn't turn it's font blue I wouldn't think.

2. The photo itself doesn't appear to be any different in tone and clarity from the rest of the cards I have. I threw a few other cards in the scan so you could all get an idea.

3. The back is perfectly normal. As with t210 orange borders, there's no differences in color or otherwise on the card's reverse.

4. This is a set already known for it's printing gaffes. Orange borders, yellow borders, oversized borders, etc.... So I suppose having a different shade of border color show up isn't too much out of the question. I threw a couple other "misprints" in the scan as well - one of my orange borders and then the Reis card which also arrived today. NOtice the oversized right border but it's actually missing it's left border. Kind of neat.

Any thoughts?

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[FrankWakefield]

I had about two-thirds of a T210 that looked like that. the image part looked odd, too. It felt a bit rough, instead of smooth like most T210s feel.

I never could decide if it was made that way or if something happened to it. I thought the latter, since it had a big vertical tear along it, where part of it was missing.

Does that pink one feel less smooth than the others?

[shammus]

It's smooth but not "slick" like other t210s. Also, the red borders and even my orange borders are glossy which I guess is why they're slick. This pink card isn't glossy and isn't slick but it doesn't have a rough surface on the front either if that makes any sense....

[FrankWakefield]

I think something 'happened' to the card, I don't think it was in the cigarette pack like that.

I think that whatever affected the surface also affected the ink, leaching out some red, leaching the black down to blue.

I'm not recalling what the back of my piece of one was like. I wonder if someone soaked it with vinegar or something, to remove it from a scrapbook, maybe. I do know it was the first T210 I ever soaked, I had no idea if T210s would soak or not, and didn't want to find out on an entire T210... this was in the days before internet, collectors interacted face to face or via the mail.

[barrysloate]

The blue ink sounds more interesting to me than the pink border. It doesn't look blue in your scan, however. While red can either fade to pink, or simply be missing a color pass, how does black print turn blue?

[DixieBaseball]

Looks like it is faded by the sun....

I am guessing a printing error on tha one... almost like a film on it which drowns the red into pinkish hue.

[shammus]

At first glance, I'm leaning towards the way Jeremy and Barry are thinking. I'm thinking it's a printing error. If it was bleached, the caption would be a greyish color since the black font would have been lightened as well. This is a blue color though and like Barry was saying, I don't know how you alter this card so that the captions turn to blue.

Also, since obviously there is a great deal of color altering going on, one way or another, between the caption and the borders, wouldn't it stand to reason that the photo itself would appear different if the card was bleached?

One thing I will point out is that this card doesn't really have the "glossy shean" to it that t210s and so many other colors have. Not that this would be the first 100 year old card to lose it's luster, but it is something I thought I'd point out.

[shammus]

Admittedly, the blue font shows up more in person. I tried to blow the bottom of that card up a bit though....

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[FrankWakefield]

The 'piece' of a card I had was one I'd gotten years before there was much card doctoring. Besides, who'd 'doctor' on a piece of a common T210? My point is that if something happened to the card AFTER printing, as I think, it would have been something that happened 30+ years ago, nothing recent.

[cfc1909]

Now that I see another, I am open to other thoughts of what is up with the card. I thought it was either bleached or left in the sun too long. I doubt is is a new discovery of pink border.
Anyway here is mine-series 2--Laughlin

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[caramelcard]

Cool Brian,

I love the misaligned Reis card next to it as well with one white border!

Rob

[barrysloate]

Brian- The enlarged bottom border looks to have swirls of white in it. Is it possible the border was recolored? It's harder for me to view a scan than for you to look at it in hand.