Peculiar T213-2 Find ??

DixieBaseball · #1 06-06-2009, 03:36 PM

Recently I won a T213 Type 2 Cy Barger on Ebay and as a collector of Tennessee cards, I knew Barger had played for Memphis, so I was jazzed up about winning this card. I received the card in the mail today and as I analyzed the card, I noticed a strip of what seems like thin paper from another T213 (I presume) with "Memphis" on it. I checked Sabr, and Barger played in 1916 for Memphis, but when I checked the Standard Catalog, I noticed they listed the card as Barger, so I checked Lipset's Encyclopedia, and it shows Barger, Pittsburgh Fed. (No mention of Memphis at all)

So my question is this... Is there a Barger, Memphis card from the Type 2 ? Also, when looking at the scan of his Jersey, what Letter is on Barger's Jersey ? Can anyone validate this card ?

Research tells us that the Type 2 set had many strange cards, with players not on the correct teams, and multi player/team cards due to the Federal League, changing teams, production over a 2-3 year period possibly...

I know the card is authentic, but my guess is the picture is in fact of Barger in a Memphis jersey, and some collector decided to cut and paste Memphis on the card by possibly taking the strip off another T213 Coupon card. I am hopeful, Coupon Type 2 collectors can shed some light on this mystery Barger card.

sgbernard · #2 06-06-2009, 03:49 PM

The uniform looks like an R. Check out the "R" on this T209 Fullenwider below for Raleigh; could be as it's the same gothic script, but it looks a bit off, although admittedly a bit earlier than your card. Maybe Roanoke? Sure doesn't look like an "M" to me, though. Interesting provenance to the card, though. Happy digging!

Brian Weisner · #3 06-06-2009, 04:47 PM

Hi Jeremy,
The "R" on Barger's jersey is for Rochester.....The pose is the same as his T206 card, as are most T213's.... Be well Brian

PS T213 print changes are plentiful, but pose changes are not.... The Memphis looks added to me.....

sgbernard · #4 06-06-2009, 04:55 PM

Brian, you're right. That's what happens when you think too hard, I guess!

Hope all's well with you, long time. Haven't been to see a heels game in awhile. Was living abroad all last year and missed that impressive championship team. Glad Tyler could leave with a championship.

Brian Weisner · #5 06-06-2009, 05:00 PM

Hi Seth,
I'm glad to see you made it back to the States...Have you finished the T209 set.... Be well Brian

PS The Heels were on a mission this year.... And I hope the Baseball team is too....

sgbernard · #6 06-06-2009, 05:06 PM

Brian:
Sure took care of ECU today, let's see what they can do!

I wasn't able to do any collecting last year, so I'm still stalled out on my T209s with three to go: Booles, Pope, and Gilmore... Slowly does it.

Scott:
When I stop hijacking the thread and pause to read it, that's a cool card for that reason. These are like homemade prototypes for the "Traded" sets that Topps started in the 1981.

scooter729 · #7 06-06-2009, 05:02 PM

Collectors back in the day must have liked to stay updated with team changes on their favorite players....

This is an Old Judge of mine which must have undergone a similar change in 1890, when Ward switched from NY to Brooklyn...

cfc1909 · #8 06-06-2009, 04:58 PM

This is as much as I can find on Barger. Nothing from a Memphis team and does leave out several years

Eros Bolivar "Cy" Barger (May 18, 1885 - September 23, 1964) was a right-handed starting pitcher and left-handed batter who played in the American League for the New York Highlanders (1906-07); in the National League with the Brooklyn teams Superbas (1910) and Dodgers (1911-12), and for the Pittsburgh Rebels (1914-15) in the Federal League

I won a Schlei batting Coupon type 2 a few days ago and he also has a Memphis caption. I can't find anything on Schlei with Memphis either