CSG flip with '52 Topps Mantle Type 1 vs Type 2: crossover graded "8"

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

CSG just graded a '52 Topps Mantle at an "8" that someone crossed over from another slab as well as a "4.5". They say the "8" is a Type 1 and the "4.5" is a Type 2.

According CSG, and the difference is that:

a) the Mantle signature of the Type 1 has an "e" that curves up, while the Type 2 does not (because it is cut off)

b) The border around the rectangle of stars on the front is solid in Type 1 and jagged in Type 2.

c) The seams on the baseball on the back of the card in the top left corner go to the left on the Type 1, but go to the right and bolder on Type 2.

d) The alignment of the word "DiMaggio's" on the back of the card is aligned slightly more towards the edge of the card on the Typ e 2.

How Andy Broome and his team noticed all of this, I do not know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_McshAcV50

And I wonder what grade the "8" had in the previous holder and what the grading company they crossed it over from was.
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...mickey-mantle/

And I wonder what a CSG 8 might go for? As Andy says in the video, the surface is close to flawless.

**WHOOPS probably should have posted this in the post-war forum**

The video was very informative regarding Type 1 vs. Type 2. Thanks for sharing.

[Rich Klein]

Back in my Beckett days, Andy and I discussed the Mantle (and Robinson and Thomson) variations. He is very familiar with both as we got both examples at Beckett at the same time circa 2005

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

The video was very informative regarding Type 1 vs. Type 2. Thanks for sharing.

I agree very informative and agree with others would love to potentially own one one day

[sb1]

Generally Type 1 Mantle's have better color and sharpness=better eye appeal and often bring more money.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sb1

Generally Type 1 Mantle's have better color and sharpness=better eye appeal and often bring more money.

Now that's interesting. I know the two Ruth 144s differ in those qualities but I was not aware of it on Mantles.

[Orioles1954]

For several years whenever we've received a '52 Topps Mantle consignment we've recognized the "laces face left" or "laces face right" version.

[Casey2296]

I'm just happy that Herman Wehmeier found his way on this thread, and I'm sure the Wehmeier family is as well, welcome to the front page Herm, it's been way too long...

[steve B]

So, what is the earliest reference to the two types?

The oldest I can think of was Ralph Nozakis book in I think 1975.

So it was known then, but how much before then?

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I'm just happy that Herman Wehmeier found his way on this thread, and I'm sure the Wehmeier family is as well, welcome to the front page Herm, it's been way too long...

If you want some interesting reading, do some research into how Mr. Wehmeier spent his final few days.

Rich