CSG flip with '52 Topps Mantle Type 1 vs Type 2: crossover graded "8"

[sb1]

Generally Type 1 Mantle's have better color and sharpness=better eye appeal and often bring more money.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sb1

Generally Type 1 Mantle's have better color and sharpness=better eye appeal and often bring more money.

Now that's interesting. I know the two Ruth 144s differ in those qualities but I was not aware of it on Mantles.

[Orioles1954]

For several years whenever we've received a '52 Topps Mantle consignment we've recognized the "laces face left" or "laces face right" version.

[Casey2296]

I'm just happy that Herman Wehmeier found his way on this thread, and I'm sure the Wehmeier family is as well, welcome to the front page Herm, it's been way too long...

[steve B]

So, what is the earliest reference to the two types?

The oldest I can think of was Ralph Nozakis book in I think 1975.

So it was known then, but how much before then?

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I'm just happy that Herman Wehmeier found his way on this thread, and I'm sure the Wehmeier family is as well, welcome to the front page Herm, it's been way too long...

If you want some interesting reading, do some research into how Mr. Wehmeier spent his final few days.

Rich

[Leon]

Something no one really talked about much, is the fact that a very high value card is in a CSG holder. I suspect they will gain market share over time. I have a submission for them and just need to get to the post office. This week...
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[raulus]

Originally Posted by Leon

Something no one really talked about much, is the fact that a very high value card is in a CSG holder. I suspect they will gain market share over time. I have a submission for them and just need to get to the post office. This week...
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It’s definitely an intriguing development.

And I applaud the stones on whoever made the call, because I certainly lack the stones to go there.

Hopefully CSG thrives and helps to keep the TPG market healthy and we can avoid having a complete and total monopoly from PSA.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Leon

Something no one really talked about much, is the fact that a very high value card is in a CSG holder. I suspect they will gain market share over time. I have a submission for them and just need to get to the post office. This week...
.

Fantastic point Leon. I immediately noticed that and thought the same thing you did.

As for it necessarily being a smart (or ballsy) move, great question. I guess the biggest potential loss would be from selling it now, and realizing a lower sales prices than if it had been left in a PSA holder. Of course, someone could pay to also have the card re-graded and holdered by PSA again, in which case you're out the grading fees. There's also the risk that PSA would lower the grade from where they previously had it as well. Hearing that this Mantle card crossed from a PSA 7.5 holder certainly impacts the decision of this move. What I'm really curious to know is the motivation behind why someone would decide to make that TPG switch now in this current economy and market. I'm assuming the owner is/was not looking to flip and sell this Mantle card now, unless they were hoping to get a much higher grade, like at least a 9 or better, on the crossover.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Leon

Something no one really talked about much, is the fact that a very high value card is in a CSG holder. I suspect they will gain market share over time. I have a submission for them and just need to get to the post office. This week...
.

I believe in this situation. since CSG is already considered a top 4 grading company, getting this Mantle into their holder is going to give them the positive publicity and more of the higher dollar cards. Thus, I do agree with Leon in his supposition

But, on an historical level, I start thinking of the SCD red holders when they graded a whole bunch (and very well) of Larry Fritsch's cards including his T206 Wagner. Yet, despite how well they graded cards (and they did so in the red holder days), SCD could never get any foothold into the graded card market. And when they started SCD grading, Krause was still a very important figure in the sports card collecting world.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

If you want some interesting reading, do some research into how Mr. Wehmeier spent his final few days.

Rich

Will do, thanks for the tip Rich.

[Republicaninmass]

Great publicity stunt.

[111gecko]

It certainly has been great marketing for CSG as they continue to grow their credibility. My original thought was the card was probably a 7 as the value better aligned with a full grade bump making sense for the owner.

I suppose the question would be this:

As an outsider and all things being equal; which one do you take?
For me; it would be the PSA 7.5. I understand the debate the other direction but I'd keep the PSA example.