Here we go yet again -- alleged trimmed and recolored CJs at auction

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter its systemic nothing is ever going to change

Right, nobody is going to come out and say I trimmed this card or removed creases or added color, which to me proves that all the talk about how it's acceptable in the hobby now is a crock.

If it was so acceptable there would be no need for deception.

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, nobody is going to come out and say I trimmed this card or removed creases or added color, which to me proves that all the talk about how it's acceptable in the hobby now is a crock.

If it was so acceptable there would be no need for deception.

Do you think that soaking also falls into this category? There are many posts on this forum about soaking, or how to safely remove a card that is in a scrapbook or glued to something.

Is there a difference in whether or not a person is doing these things with the intention of selling it later?

[Johnny630]

I know nobody Cares But another CJ Joe Jackson was discovered on Blowout the other day from a 4 SGC to a 7 SGC...


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1460488

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I know nobody Cares But another CJ Joe Jackson was discovered on Blowout the other day from a 4 SGC to a 7 SGC...


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1460488

The list keeps growing.

Yawn.

I guess Mr. Calderon, who clearly knows how to post here (see below), isn't going to this time.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=calderon

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The list keeps growing.

Yawn.

I guess Mr. Calderon, who clearly knows how to post here (see below), isn't going to this time.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=calderon

I will post on his behalf...

We had all the cards reviewed by SGC and they feel they are graded accurately.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I will post on his behalf...

We had all the cards reviewed by SGC and they feel they are graded accurately.

LOL.
Oh wait, maybe it's not so funny.
This hobby is a cluster fork.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL.
Oh wait, maybe it's not so funny.
This hobby is a cluster fork.

It takes a massive amount of tolerance, ignorance or denial to buy cards like these after what has been uncovered. If the card is worth real money you almost have to assume it has been messed with.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The list keeps growing.

Yawn.

I guess Mr. Calderon, who clearly knows how to post here (see below), isn't going to this time.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=calderon

It appears that Heritage gets a free pass with a lot of people. If this same thread was about pwcc the post count would be in the hundreds.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It appears that Heritage gets a free pass with a lot of people. If this same thread was about pwcc the post count would be in the hundreds.

I don't know Pat, my impression is that people aren't even interested in PWCC any more. Hardly a word about their move to hiding bidder IDs, for example. Or about the complete lack of impact all the Blowout revelations have had on them.

[swarmee]

Or that people posted the ESPN article quoting Jesse Craig and nobody responded back with "Salt of the Earth."

BTW, here are some of the outed trimmers that have booths at the NSCC this year, if it happens:
Johnny Adams Jr Booth Number: #632 #636
Buy Nice Cards.Com Booth Number : #560 Eric Bitz
PWCC Marketplace Booth Number : #2452 #2448 #2353 #2349 Betsy Huigens
Triple sSs Sportscard Booth Number : #525 #624 Mike Skerbe
Metro Sports Cards Booth Number : #2333 Brandon Taing

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Tripredacus

Do you think that soaking also falls into this category? There are many posts on this forum about soaking, or how to safely remove a card that is in a scrapbook or glued to something.

Is there a difference in whether or not a person is doing these things with the intention of selling it later?

Soaking is a somewhat contentious issue.
Given time, most old scrapbooks will damage the cards.

My wife and I are currently working on soaking a scrapbook of tradecards. A hobby where at least the pricing is similar to where baseball cards were 40 years ago. The pages made the cards brittle, and some have taken pretty serious damage.

There's always a fine line between preservation/conservation and altering.

That's also true in other hobbies.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tripredacus

Do you think that soaking also falls into this category? There are many posts on this forum about soaking, or how to safely remove a card that is in a scrapbook or glued to something.

Is there a difference in whether or not a person is doing these things with the intention of selling it later?

Soaking is part of a long hobby tradition, and is the only way vast amounts of material stuck in scrapbooks could have been made available. And to the best of my knowledge it typically causes no harm.