Zeenut checklists

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oaks1912

The Standard Catalog list is a good starting point (You can buy an outdated version for about $10 plus shipping), as is the 1977 Jim Horne booklet, however none of the published checklists are complete, primarily with regards to variations. When you start approaching 3500 different Zeenuts, the advanced collectors will step in and help you

I would be curious how many collectors approach 3500 Zeenut cards. My guess is a few fingers or so...but I might not know of the old collectors out there whom are behind the scenes.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would be curious how many collectors approach 3500 Zeenut cards. My guess is a few fingers or so...but I might not know of the old collectors out there whom are behind the scenes.

I've been working on gathering as many scans of Zeenuts with coupons to help establish years, especially from 1932 through 1937.

A couple of questions:

The 1933 sepia are often catalogued a a separate set from the 1933-36 listings. Like several from the 1933-36 catalogued set, these all have coupon expiration dates of April 1st 1934. I think the April 1st 1934's were are issued at the same time (thus actually the same set). What do you think?

One Zeenut set is catalogued as 1937-38, but all I've seen have coupon expiration dates of Oct 30th 1937. Has anyone seen a later expiration date? Where did the 1938 date come from?

I am especially interested in scans of Zeenuts with coupon expiration dates of April 1st 1935, April 1st 1936 and Oct 1st 1936. Would appreciate more. Thanks, Mike

[philliesphan]

Michael-

The 1938s had a coupon that was not attached to the card - hence you will not find a tabbed example of such. The coupon, IIRC, was inserted alongside the card in the confection

[philliesphan]

I reckon that there are probably fewer than ten folks that have the vast majority of tabbed Zeenuts from the 1933-1936 timeframe. I further imagine that at least one or two of them has a fairly robust checklist based upon year of issue. But most of those folks are the series "completists" who are working on the 3,500+ series and for them the delineation is not as important. The variations in the 1933-1936 series are generally widely known (and indicated in the Horne book), and it's mostly from there a question of finding tabbed examples where they exist to get the specific year.

As far as I know, not all of the variations from the 1933-1936 timeframe are known to exist with a tab. Obviously some of the more notable ones are, like Joe D

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

. . . The variations in the 1933-1936 series are generally widely known (and indicated in the Horne book), and it's mostly from there a question of finding tabbed examples where they exist to get the specific year.

Here's the problem, even the grading companies get it wrong or don't address the variation issue. In the three scans below, which is the "large pose" card?







Mike

[rhettyeakley]

Last one is the“large” pose. Many of the size variations are very subtle. In this case if you measured the length of Almada’s image top of head to tip of foot I imagine the length would be different than the other two (but you can’t do that in a scan). Also, how much clearance between top of head and top of card (but this is problematic because it can be off if the card is miscut or trimmed).

Generally what I try to do is look at the background of the image and see if there are differences in what is included in the image (ie the cropping). In the case of Almada there is a second ballplayer in the background at far left of the first 2 examples while the 3rd example pictured that player has been cropped out of the image... thus the entire image has been ever so slightly “zoomed in” resulting in a “larger image”

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Last one is the “large” pose. Many of the size variations are very subtle. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbE..._as=subscriber

rhettyeakley,

You know your Zeenuts. Obviously from the pictures I provided, PSA misidentified the card as a "large pose" and SCG didn't care which year it was issued -- to SCG it's just a generic 1933-36 Zeenut.

You've hit the nail on the head. There are no good picture guides that distinguish the subtle differences of many similar cards by the year in which they were issued from 1933 through 1936.

To All,

While I have a long way to go, over the past couple of weeks I have put together pictures of about 135 different 1933-36 Zeenuts with coupons that expire April 1st 1934 (issued in 1933), April 1st 1935 (issued in 1934), April 1st 1936 (issued in 1935) or Oct 1st 1936 (issued in 1936).

If people are willing to help, perhaps we can put together an on-line guide of each player's card from this period (1933-36) with scans showing each separate date of issue.

I am willing to post a list of the scans by player name and coupon expiry date I have so that net54baseball readers can post scans of cards with coupons not on that list. It can then be all put together.

What do you think? Is it worth a try? At least, we can resolve the dates of issue of the subtle yearly differences in many of these 1933-36 cards. It's a start.

Let me know what you think.

To rhettyeakley,

I found your video on-line a couple of days ago while looking for more info on Zeenuts and enjoyed it. Nice cards, tough set. Still looking for a 1911 Western Playground Association card.

Mike

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

Michael-

The 1938s had a coupon that was not attached to the card - hence you will not find a tabbed example of such. The coupon, IIRC, was inserted alongside the card in the confection

If this is the coupon you are referring to, then it is a help. Once the 1933 through 1937 cards are identified by date on a coupon, the distinction of the 1938 cards wil become apparent.



Mike