Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[refz]

Set aside the 52 mantle, how hard in general was it to get a mantle card from a pack back in the 1950s? My father said it was like hitting the lottery almost.

[jsfriedm]

It sounds like this card was kept raw until this auction, when Heritage submitted to SGC. Does anyone know why they didn't submit to PSA? Did they think it wouldn't get a 10? Did they think it would fetch more as the highest-graded SGC than as one of 4 PSA 10s? It seems like a consequential decision here.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

It sounds like this card was kept raw until this auction, when Heritage submitted to SGC. Does anyone know why they didn't submit to PSA? Did they think it wouldn't get a 10? Did they think it would fetch more as the highest-graded SGC than as one of 4 PSA 10s? It seems like a consequential decision here.

I would assume it either came back a 9, then bumped at SGC, or they started there and it didn't get the 10 at PSA, but you never know.

That is the nicest 52 Mantle I've ever seen, and I won't be surprised at all if it goes well past the estimate. Either way it sounds like the card's owner made one of the best 50k investments of all time.

[Rare Stuff]

Love Ted’s and Marty’s story and provenance of their 52’ Mantle. Mine also came from the original owners family. I’m the second owner, here’s the story:

https://youtu.be/Ef_1ZyPVvG8

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Rare Stuff

Love Ted’s and Marty’s story and provenance of their 52’ Mantle. Mine also came from the original owners family. I’m the second owner, here’s the story:

https://youtu.be/Ef_1ZyPVvG8

How can SGC examine the card that was still inside a PSA holder and claiming the card wasn't trimmed and was just undersized? LOL

[Buythatcard]

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

I believe there are 3 PSA 10s so I agree. Seems a bit odd. Would love to own any of them. The 4.5 above is amazing. 52 Mantles are just gorgeous in my opinion.

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

Marshall Fogel's PSA10 Mantle is based off the grading standard when PSA starts grading... which was like 25 yrs ago. Definitely not perfect Gem Mint.

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

I believe they are using Rosen's 1991 direct quote which at the time was the "finest known example".

[Natswin2019]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

It sounds like this card was kept raw until this auction, when Heritage submitted to SGC. Does anyone know why they didn't submit to PSA? Did they think it wouldn't get a 10? Did they think it would fetch more as the highest-graded SGC than as one of 4 PSA 10s? It seems like a consequential decision here.

One of the consignment directors who was part of the team that delt with this card said it's cause SGC had a 9.5 grade and PSA only did 9. He said that the card was special and didn't want it to be just another mantle as there's 6 PSA 9s. He says that both companies are great choices but those were their reasons.

This was all said on the reddit baseball card forum where he's a pretty prominent member.

Jason Simonds is his name

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by refz

Set aside the 52 mantle, how hard in general was it to get a mantle card from a pack back in the 1950s? My father said it was like hitting the lottery almost.

1958 Mantle All-Star was probably the easiest card of the 1950's lol.

[G1911]

Pulling a Mantle was not difficult. The 51 Bowman and 52 Topps highs was the only time he was in a harder to find series and he was a DP in the Topps. With his All Star cards, combo cards, appearance in many regionals, etc. he might have been literally the easiest player to get a card of in the 50’s.

[G1911]

Shouldn’t the yellow staining at the top prevent this from being a 9.5 Mint+? Does SGC normally allow that on Mint+ cards?

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by G1911

Shouldn’t the yellow staining at the top prevent this from being a 9.5 Mint+? Does SGC normally allow that on Mint+ cards?

I think the "staining" on the first picture is probably some kind of photographic anomaly considering how bright and stain-free that same area appears on the picture to the right of it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by robw1959

I think the "staining" on the first picture is probably some kind of photographic anomaly considering how bright and stain-free that same area appears on the picture to the right of it.

It is clearly visible in both pictures on Heritage's sight of the front of the card. This exact issue, some yellow staining at the top of the card, is on some of the other Rosen find cards. Zooming in on each image, it does not appear to be a scanner defect (from Heritage, who often adjusts their scans). Further, it seems incredibly unlikely that Heritage would list a $10mm card that appears it has damage it does not have; if I was the consigner I would be outraged. A preponderance of the evidence available does not suggest to me Heritage's scanner makes cards appear to have stains they don't; though I'm happy to be corrected. Here's a close up, though the ones on Heritage are better as Net54 does not allow decent quality images to be uploaded.

If I submitted a 1952 Dale Coogan in this exact condition and without the backstory and provenance, does anyone honestly think I would get a 9.5?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by G1911

It is clearly visible in both pictures on Heritage's sight of the front of the card. This exact issue, some yellow staining at the top of the card, is on some of the other Rosen find cards. Zooming in on each image, it does not appear to be a scanner defect (from Heritage, who often adjusts their scans). Further, it seems incredibly unlikely that Heritage would list a $10mm card that appears it has damage it does not have; if I was the consigner I would be outraged. A preponderance of the evidence available does not suggest to me Heritage's scanner makes cards appear to have stains they don't; though I'm happy to be corrected. Here's a close up, though the ones on Heritage are better as Net54 does not allow decent quality images to be uploaded.

If I submitted a 1952 Dale Coogan in this exact condition and without the backstory and provenance, does anyone honestly think I would get a 9.5?

With a little luck you could get a PSA 9(ST).

[Brian Van Horn]

Just curious-and I am NOT accusing Heritage of this-but is anybody else having Mastro going through their mind on this lot?