Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[Rare Stuff]

Love Ted’s and Marty’s story and provenance of their 52’ Mantle. Mine also came from the original owners family. I’m the second owner, here’s the story:

https://youtu.be/Ef_1ZyPVvG8

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Rare Stuff

Love Ted’s and Marty’s story and provenance of their 52’ Mantle. Mine also came from the original owners family. I’m the second owner, here’s the story:

https://youtu.be/Ef_1ZyPVvG8

How can SGC examine the card that was still inside a PSA holder and claiming the card wasn't trimmed and was just undersized? LOL

[Buythatcard]

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

I believe there are 3 PSA 10s so I agree. Seems a bit odd. Would love to own any of them. The 4.5 above is amazing. 52 Mantles are just gorgeous in my opinion.

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

Marshall Fogel's PSA10 Mantle is based off the grading standard when PSA starts grading... which was like 25 yrs ago. Definitely not perfect Gem Mint.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by chriskim

Marshall Fogel's PSA10 Mantle is based off the grading standard when PSA starts grading... which was like 25 yrs ago. Definitely not perfect Gem Mint.

When a card gets to that point of being either Mint or Gem Mint or whatever, who can really tell the difference.
The Mantle card is beautiful in any grade. It would be more beautiful in my hands.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

When a card gets to that point of being either Mint or Gem Mint or whatever, who can really tell the difference.
The Mantle card is beautiful in any grade. It would be more beautiful in my hands.

I think the reality is that if you lined up all of the top-graded mantle 52 topps rookies graded 9.5/10… some would look dramatically better than others.

Hence the problem with arbitrary third party grading… flawed from the start, ever-changing standards. Yet time people devote to arguing and complaining about it is numbing to me?

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Why does Heritage say that the card is the Finest Known Example? It's graded SGC 9.5 which is a Mint+. In a recent SCD article written about Marshall Fogel. He says that he owns a PSA 10 version of that card which is a Gem Mint.

I always thought that a Gem Mint was better than a Mint+. So, wouldn't that mean the card owned by Fogel is considered the Finest Known Example?

I wouldn't mind owning either one of the 2 cards but I am just curious.

I believe they are using Rosen's 1991 direct quote which at the time was the "finest known example".

[Johnny630]

I think this SGC 9.5 Example has the best centering and blue color out of the three PSA 10's. All are beautiful :-) and deserve their said assigned grades.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think this SGC 9.5 Example has the best centering and blue color out of the three PSA 10's. All are beautiful :-) and deserve their said assigned grades.

It's sometimes hard to judge color on these due to scan/picture settings, particularly Heritage's.

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's sometimes hard to judge color on these due to scan/picture settings, particularly Heritage's.

Bingo! (Not saying this nice Mantle....) Heritage has a separate photoshop team enhancing their images.... creases can disappear, faded colors got enhanced to pack fresh stage.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

I believe they are using Rosen's 1991 direct quote which at the time was the "finest known example".

Well I believe it's assumed all of the very high grade Mantles came from that find. Rosen is probably the last one to see them all together. But the flip could also be referring to this being the finest SGC graded example.

[MattyC]

Jesse, the flip is referring to and quoting Rosen's words from the letter he wrote about this very card. It's a nod to the provenance, as opposed to a reference from SGC about the card's grade. Just clarifying.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Jesse, the flip is referring to and quoting Rosen's words from the letter he wrote about this very card. It's a nod to the provenance, as opposed to a reference from SGC about the card's grade. Just clarifying.

Makes sense. Since he did see them all together he would have had the best chance to identify the finest example. Hard to imagine a better looking 52 Mantle. If I hit tonight's mega millions I will be bidding.

[Yoda]

While it was eons ago, I remember well opening multiple packs of the last series '52 Topps, or as many as my meagre allowance at the time would allow, in a vain search for the Mick. My hometown growing up was Schenectady, NY, which seemed to have been blessed with an abundance of the ultimate series due to whatever geographical distribution Topps planned. I found Campy, Pee Wee, Jackie and Eddie without any trouble, but, oh, that Mantle eluded me. I already had the '51 Bowman, which I had found in a pack the prior year when the cards bug infected me (still infected) and knew i had to have the '52 Topps. Despite all the time since then, I have never owned one. Ted, you were one lucky Dude when you grabbed that mystical pack. If it couldn't be me, I am glad it was you. John

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Yoda

While it was eons ago, I remember well opening multiple packs of the last series '52 Topps, or as many as my meagre allowance at the time would allow, in a vain search for the Mick. My hometown growing up was Schenectady, NY, which seemed to have been blessed with an abundance of the ultimate series due to whatever geographical distribution Topps planned. I found Campy, Pee Wee, Jackie and Eddie without any trouble, but, oh, that Mantle eluded me. I already had the '51 Bowman, which I had found in a pack the prior year when the cards bug infected me (still infected) and knew i had to have the '52 Topps. Despite all the time since then, I have never owned one. Ted, you were one lucky Dude when you grabbed that mystical pack. If it couldn't be me, I am glad it was you. John

John, thanks for sharing this insight into what it was like back then. Truly, alongside Ted's experience, one of the coolest perspectives I've absorbed here. Many of us born in the 70s and 80s, who grew up staring at the 52T set in the likes of Beckett and CCP guides, have imagined as boys (and even as men!) opening those packs when they were the current cards out. Amazing.

Best,

MC

[Republicaninmass]

There appears to be a stain on the top center. Still a sharp card. 9.5....ok

[GasHouseGang]

I see what you're talking about.

[puckpaul]

Definitely curious that SGC was used. I think that is a huge boost to SGC since i cannot recall a top top card like this in an SGC holder. Any others?

[Republicaninmass]

It's a great card, but there is toning/staining that just cant be ignored. Someone will buy the flip for the bragging rights.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Definitely curious that SGC was used. I think that is a huge boost to SGC since i cannot recall a top top card like this in an SGC holder. Any others?

SGC already has the highest priced card ever sold, the SGC 3 T206 Wagner that sold last year in REA.
With this card, SGC will have the two highest ever. Take that, PSA.

[Belfast1933]

Sorry to disappoint but I just had to get this one so bought it from Heritage while I was at their booth today…

(Had to increase my credit limit just a smidge)