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This type of stuff has gone on with Gustav Dore book engravings etc. forever in the book world. Would never buy one myself.
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I do not collect them but I am on the side of if you own the magazine you can do what ever you want with it. As long as they are listed properly I have no problem with people cutting up any magazine/book they own and selling the pages.
I have this opinion because a much older friend owned a small used book store. He barely made enough money to keep it open most years and sometimes had to take a night part time job delivering pizza. The last 4-5 years he was open he found a wholesaler who bought magazine pages and it really helped his business stay open without having to have a second job to support the job he loved. |
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I am not for cutting up the books
but that seems to go over some peoples heads. I just do not see where it is our place to act so high and mighty and tell others what to spend there money on. If it does not hurt anyone I do not see the point of bringing this up every month. I have never bought a page and probably never will, but I have cut up bazooka panels and strip card sheets and panels in my life. Some see that as horrible, I was doing it at the time because the items sold for more that way and cards were my job. Again to make it clear I do not support this but at the same time feel it is not my place to judge someone else on their collecting habits. As I have stated if the item is clearly stated and their is demand for the items why is it so wrong. If you people that have such a tremendous problem with it then buy all the guides, as Barry has suggested and is doing, as opposed to being a whiny little b!^#@ like Scott.
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Hey scott
go have a few more drinks. Loser. Trying to figure out where your ignorant ass handed it to me. I laugh at your pompousness. I have basically stated i am not for it but you do not seem to have very good reading comprehension. I have stated multiple times i will not tell people how to spend their money and i find it extremelly arrogant that you think it is your place to tell people how to spend their money. If they lie about what they are selling I am with you but when labeled properly why is it so wrong? You never answer anything just call names and attack. Put down the bottle and I think you will see you are fighting with someone that mostly agrees with you that they should not be cut up. But should not and can't are two different things. If demand is there why should an industrious individual not meet that demand. It is better than us having to support him on public assistance is it not?
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The mirror Glynn, the mirror.
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Why
Trying to figure out why some judge it so much differently than Harper or other woodcuts, of which I do have a few single pages . I am much more bothered by individuals like the guy with the fake $200 wagner or people that try to pass off the spalding pages as cards.
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I had this discussion with a friend very recently. I choose Dore over Blake when it comes to The Divine Comedy and apparently so do others because I have yet to find a version missing Blake's drawings, but often find them missing Dore engravings. As for the topic of this thread - I'm not for destroying books in any condition. Kind of like chopping up a Cobb bat or Gehrig jersey for a card(relics?).
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A game used vintage bat
with very few known has extreme historical significance a book with untold amounts of copies still floating around is not. If it were the value would be too large to take this risks of buying and cutting them up. Look at it as maybe a good investment if you truly feel so many are being cut up that it will effect the supply greatly buy some intact books and forget about them for a while.
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I have stated before people can do whatever they like. Just like people use beater t206 cards to test altering card theories.
Or people cut down sheets. I just personally can't do it. I also don't understand anyone buying a single page from a book. There is a thread about Jeter collectors being crazy. I think "pages from books" collectors to be crazy. To me it is just as crazy as cutting out just the Nolan Ryan picture from a 1968 Topps. I understand you aren't a Jerry Koosman collector but you just cut the card in half. Think about it like this. Who would want a uncut strip of t206 cards. How about a uncut strip with Wagner and Plank on it? There was one, but because someone decided to cut it up to sell the cards individually it no longer exsists. Sometimes the long term goal of preserving history should be the goal instead of the short term minimal monetary return.
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Again a one of a kind strip
And books with countless copies are apples and oranges. I will not cut up the books or buy the pages does not mean I will tell others how to spend their money or judge them for it as long as they are not hurting anyone in the process
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It's neither illegal or unethical to cut the pages out of books, but it's tacky and collectors frown upon it. It's our job as collectors to preserve artifacts, not destroy them. Of course anyone is free to cut up the books, but to me that isn't the point.
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Chandy Greenholt, who is as ethical and passionate guy as you will ever meet, got literally a milk crate full of these that he was selling for $1 a page. I bought a few including a Ruth ad that I might frame up nicely one day, but they were "broken when he got them."
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And my position has not changed
I would not do it but I think it is sanctimonious to come on hear and rip people to shreads for what they may enjoy collecting. I find it arrogant to tell others how to spend their money. I understand the outrage I just don't agree with it. If the cutting up of the books bothered me as much as you guys I would put my money where my mouth is and start buying up complete books to save for posterity. Rather than come on the message boards and whine about it every month. Like I said I am not the morality police if it is not hurting others and is properly labeled sell them. I do not see where it is any of our business what someone wishes to buy or do. I don't see the difficulty in comprehending that position and frankly find it funny that all of us who have spent fortunes on cardboard look down on others for what they choose to purchase.
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I am all for
Ripping those that sell them as cards, that is misrepresenting what they are. I just think counterfeiters and card doctors deserve our attention and scorn more than a guy cutting up a book.
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According to some though, his only option would have been to destroy them. Since selling them might encourage others to do so. So rather than allowing others the opportunity of having a single page with a player they like, his option is to not provide them to anyone? Talk about being inconsistent. |
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I don't like it, but I collect Police Gazette, Harpers and Leslies pages, so what do I know?
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Honestly... Is this True?
That by Collecting Police Gazette's of Christy Mathewson... Some People believe that I am Encouraging Other's to Cut uP Magazine's? Can this really be true? I am Not at All trying to be antagonistic... My point is, Could this be an era related mentality? I didn't think fir a moment that the Collecting of the Gazette's would cause me to think anything other than, "I'm Glad that these were preserved by those who came before me! As a Collector, iT iS My duty to do everything I can to preserve these Artifacts. I wonder now if there were those who took issue with the dismantling of an Old Police Gazette's? Oh, and Not that I don't care... it's just that the world is so full of Politics'. The reason why I come here is leave that All behind. iN the Past year I have been intrigued by the Magazine ad's of Baseball's past! ie Tuxedo, Tabaco, etc... I've been looking to purchase some of the Magazine's. Never gave it a thought that I would pull the ads out. I picked up a couple and have been reading them for the Nostalgia... "Now I have to worry about the Political Magazine Police" Just ta Note: The only Mathewson Police Gazette that I presently own iS one iN which there is No writing oN the Top of the Page, which means that it was issued at the end of the year by the Company within a set. Not takiN' from the Magazine! No Worries...
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We have talked about this before . All I keep thinking is I can sell you my car which you can cherish as a whole or I can sell you the parts that will cost you more .
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.... unless I only care about or need a few parts. Then it's MUCH cheaper buying the parts.
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