NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Old 08-29-2022, 05:54 PM
parkplace33 parkplace33 is online now
Drew W@i$e
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,150
Default

Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 08-29-2022, 06:47 PM
Vintageclout Vintageclout is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 528
Default Mantle Card

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldjudge View Post
Who cares what the pop is--look at the card. Wake up--the king has no clothing.
Jay - You & I certainly agree that overall “eye appeal” should rule versus a “numbers game”. Unfortunately, when it comes to extremely low pop/highest graded iconic cards, the “numbers” steal the show and nothing is ever going to change that notion.

Regarding the $12.6 million figure, I think it borders on insanity to think that number is a so-called disappointment. To the best of my knowledge, the recent $7.25 million private sale of an SGC 2 T206 Wagner was the previous highest recorded sports memorabilia sale. The $12.6 million figure is a 74% increase over that Wagner sale, a mind-blowing spike and certainly a huge boost to an already red-hot sports card market. Every hobbyist should be celebrating this sale. It is truly a landmark event that may transcend the hobby to another level.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 08-29-2022, 06:52 PM
Carter08 Carter08 is online now
J@mes Nonk.es
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,697
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by parkplace33 View Post
Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.
Could be true. No psa 9.5 grades.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 08-29-2022, 06:52 PM
Ricky Ricky is offline
Rich
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 361
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
This was discussed at great length in another recent thread.
Can you point me to the thread?
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 08-29-2022, 07:05 PM
Lorewalker's Avatar
Lorewalker Lorewalker is offline
Chase
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 1,465
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by parkplace33 View Post
Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.
Grade shopping. More than one person told me after the auction went live that the card was informally looked at by PSA and it was loosely stated it would likely be an 8. Based on the pics I think 8 is too harsh so not stating I was lied to but the hearsay might not be accurate. I would have gotten a 6 but Heritage has to at least get an 8.5.
__________________
( h @ $ e A n + l e y
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:38 AM
Frank A Frank A is offline
Frank
Fra.nk Anth0ny
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 491
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jingram058 View Post
I think 12.6M for ANY baseball card, a piece of cardboard, with all that's going on in the world, makes me mad. That someone has that much disposable pocket change, to plunk down on a baseball card, no matter their "investment" or possible "flip" options or what the f%$# ever, makes me mad. I am not jealous. I find it ridiculous in the extreme and it makes me mad. And with that, I am done...
I agree with you 100%. Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 08-30-2022, 07:45 AM
campyfan39's Avatar
campyfan39 campyfan39 is offline
Chris
Ch.ris Pa.rtin
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,127
Default

I'll take the minority view here. I am one of the ole timey "scrooges" who laments the fact that the hobby I love has turned into investment property. The more cards go up the less likely it is true collectors who care about the game and the sets will ever be able to attain them.

i think the buyer has every right to spend their money however they want and it likely was a good "investment." I just long for the days without some third party assigning a number to your treasure that determines its worth. I know I am a dinosaur and the ship is sailed but thats how I feel.
__________________
[FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]CampyFan39
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 08-30-2022, 07:47 AM
Carter08 Carter08 is online now
J@mes Nonk.es
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,697
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank A View Post
I agree with you 100%. Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell.
Interesting take and probably worthy of its own thread but wealth disparity in this country is far from new.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 08-30-2022, 08:43 AM
drmondobueno's Avatar
drmondobueno drmondobueno is offline
Keith
ke.ith tem.ple
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Eastern sierras, Calif
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldjudge View Post
Who cares what the pop is--look at the card. Wake up--the king has no clothing.
+1
__________________
T206 154/518 second time around
R312 49/50
1962 Topps 598/598 super set 694/697
...whatever I want
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 08-30-2022, 09:15 AM
Fuddjcal Fuddjcal is offline
Chuck Tapia
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,100
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Republicaninmass View Post
Same one with the toning along the top?

Sheesh
It was off center, tilted and cut off on the back...with a coffee stain on the top. As I recall, for 12.6 M..AND yes, worth every penny.
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Old 08-30-2022, 09:16 AM
Fuddjcal Fuddjcal is offline
Chuck Tapia
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,100
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorewalker View Post
Grade shopping. More than one person told me after the auction went live that the card was informally looked at by PSA and it was loosely stated it would likely be an 8. Based on the pics I think 8 is too harsh so not stating I was lied to but the hearsay might not be accurate. I would have gotten a 6 but Heritage has to at least get an 8.5.
I heard it was pregraded as a 4.5 due to centering, tilting and the coffee stain on top
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 08-30-2022, 09:27 AM
jayshum jayshum is offline
Jay Shumsky
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,761
Default

Heritage allows people to send offers to winners of cards from their auctions. For the Mantle, it suggests an offer of $18.9 million or more. Nothing like a $6 million return on investment in 3 days, before you even have the card you just won in hand.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Mantle - make offer.JPG (133.5 KB, 302 views)
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:06 AM
brian1961 brian1961 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,329
Default The winning price is indeed awesome, but .....

The winning price is indeed awesome, but if the right object comes along.....

Around May 19, 2022, for the first time ever, a 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SLR Uhlenhaut coupe was offered at auction by the Mercedes-Menz museum to fund a scholarship program for their future budding engineers. Heretofore, that "priceless" car, one of only two built and both ensconsed by Mercedes in their museum, was not for sale at any price.

So, it went on the auction block in Europe, and sold for an astronomical record for a motor car----$143,000,000.

As I said, the right object, in impeccable condition, with a beauty, integrity, and history that's off the charts, will reinvent expensive.

These kind of things are never cheaper by the dozen. A dozen were never made. In our card world, the right set, with a fascinating history, and distilled down to among the highest graded Mickey Mantles, of which less than a dozen exist (sure, at one time there were many dozens of them made, but not today, particularly since most were soaked in the deep.....)---the creme of the creme will draw the well-fixed interested buyers and pay....gladly.

--- Brian Powell

Last edited by brian1961; 08-30-2022 at 11:08 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:12 AM
rand1com rand1com is online now
R@ndy Hart.soe
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,159
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by parkplace33 View Post
Interesting addendum.

Heard through the grapevine that originally, this card was sent to psa to be slabbed. Psa came back and said it would be graded a 9. Card was not slabbed and was then sent to Sgc for grading.
If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:22 AM
53toppscollector's Avatar
53toppscollector 53toppscollector is offline
James M
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rand1com View Post
If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.
This is an important consideration. And I think this also gets at the heart of one of the big issues with TPGs...lack of consistency.

There was lots of chatter in the last year about how PSA has really tightened up their standards for giving out a PSA 10. Which is why "buy the card, not the flip" has always been such a prevalent mantra. The problem is, a large portion of the market, especially in the higher end stuff, is obsessed with the grade, as seen with the grade shopping and crossover attempts.

My suspicion is that if you bought 10 copies of a card in one grade, say, a PSA 9, and you re-submitted all 10 of those in the same order, cracked out of their slabs, you would not get back the same results.
__________________
My T206 research thread
My T205 Census thread
Want list: M101-2, T205s (American Beauties)

Last edited by 53toppscollector; 08-30-2022 at 11:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:37 AM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank A View Post
I agree with you 100%. Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jingram058 View Post
I think 12.6M for ANY baseball card, a piece of cardboard, with all that's going on in the world, makes me mad. That someone has that much disposable pocket change, to plunk down on a baseball card, no matter their "investment" or possible "flip" options or what the f%$# ever, makes me mad. I am not jealous. I find it ridiculous in the extreme and it makes me mad. And with that, I am done...
Well, the answer is not here, it is at the ballot box.

Meanwhile, I personally would not have paid that for the card. I'd rather have a nice midgrade card and a beach house in Malibu. There's more to life than baseball cards



Or so I have heard. After 27 years of marriage, I have no friggin' idea.
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...

Last edited by Exhibitman; 08-30-2022 at 11:40 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:41 AM
Lorewalker's Avatar
Lorewalker Lorewalker is offline
Chase
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 1,465
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rand1com View Post
If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.
I think it depends who is submitting them but over time grading standards have overall gotten tougher. Presently, tougher is an understatement. I think the grading scale is now 1 to 7 on vintage and 6 to 9 on shine.

I am not sure how I feel about how a slight tilt on a card from an issue that is prone to severe tilts should impact the 10 consideration. If the card is "perfect" otherwise can you really put it in the 9 holder?
__________________
( h @ $ e A n + l e y
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 08-30-2022, 11:53 AM
jayshum jayshum is offline
Jay Shumsky
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,761
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exhibitman View Post
Well, the answer is not here, it is at the ballot box.

Meanwhile, I personally would not have paid that for the card. I'd rather have a nice midgrade card and a beach house in Malibu. There's more to life than baseball cards



Or so I have heard. After 27 years of marriage, I have no friggin' idea.
Adam, I think it may be time for you to update your signature line if you really believe this.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 08-30-2022, 12:19 PM
Touch'EmAll Touch'EmAll is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,039
Default

The card went for 2.6 million over the target price about 10 million.

I understand the various feelings (good, bad, ugly) regarding the final price. Change happens and our hobby is no longer the way it used to be. Investment is now a motive perhaps more than anything else.

Lets assume the card went for 2.6 million under the 10 million estimate = 7.4 million final total. Interesting to contemplate the reactions if that had happened.

Rare art is really just some paint on a canvas. Do we knock the current market and what someone is willing to pay? A Ferrari is just a car with fancier sheet metal and motor. Do we knock what one is willing to pay? A baseball card is just cardboard with a players picture, should we knock what one is willing to pay? A rich person paying mega bucks for a 15 bedroom mansion ... you get the point.

On the one hand it sucks for us regular folks who can no longer afford what we used to buy. But on the other hand, the stuff we do have is now worth way more. Aw, jeez. It is what it is. Overall, I lean toward this Mantle sale as generally good for the hobby.

Steve Parmentier
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 08-30-2022, 01:38 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayshum View Post
Adam, I think it may be time for you to update your signature line if you really believe this.
Well since I don't have the money or the beach house, my comments are purely aspirational, while my tag line is realistic.
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...

Last edited by Exhibitman; 08-30-2022 at 01:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 08-30-2022, 03:43 PM
Shoeless Moe Shoeless Moe is offline
Paul Gruszka aka P Diddy, Cambo, Fluke, Jagr, PG13, Bon Jokey, Paulie Walnuts
Pa.ul Grus.zka
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Over by there
Posts: 4,704
Default

How come no winner has come forward?

Are we sure Heritage didn't win this? Aren't they allowed to bid in their auctions? Did they hit it one too many times?
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 08-30-2022, 03:48 PM
BobbyStrawberry's Avatar
BobbyStrawberry BobbyStrawberry is offline
mŞttHǝɯ h0uℊℌ
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe View Post
How come no winner has come forward?

Are we sure Heritage didn't win this? Aren't they allowed to bid in their auctions? Did they hit it one too many times?
Maybe they're still in shock after coming to the realization that they just spent 12 million dollars on a baseball card.
__________________
_
Successful transactions with: Natswin2019, ParachromBleu, Cmount76, theuclakid, tiger8mush, shammus, jcmtiger, oldjudge, coolshemp, joejo20, Blunder19, ibechillin33, t206kid, helfrich91, Dashcol, philliesfan, alaskapaul3, Natedog, Kris19, frankbmd, tonyo, Baseball Rarities, Thromdog, T2069bk, t206fix, jakebeckleyoldeagleeye, Casey2296, rdeversole, brianp-beme, seablaster, twalk, qed2190, Gorditadogg, LuckyLarry
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 08-30-2022, 04:20 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8,219
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rand1com View Post
If the (3) current PSA 10's were cracked out and resubmitted raw, likely no chance any of them get a 10 with current grading standards either. They were all graded many years ago with less stringent standards.

Sgc will go to 11!
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

Always looking for signed 1952 topps as well as variations and errors
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 08-30-2022, 04:32 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 30,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe View Post
How come no winner has come forward?

Are we sure Heritage didn't win this? Aren't they allowed to bid in their auctions? Did they hit it one too many times?
Some dude with a backward ball cap, a three day beard, sneakers shorts and a tshirt definitely should be all over social media with this by now.
__________________
My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/

He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 08-30-2022, 04:34 PM
Carter08 Carter08 is online now
J@mes Nonk.es
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,697
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
Some dude with a backward ball cap, a three day beard, sneakers shorts and a tshirt definitely should be all over social media with this by now.
Steve Cohen purchasing it would be an interesting twist.
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 08-30-2022, 04:49 PM
Johnny630 Johnny630 is offline
Johnny MaZilli
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe View Post
How come no winner has come forward?

Are we sure Heritage didn't win this? Aren't they allowed to bid in their auctions? Did they hit it one too many times?
Very Good Point/They Can Bid on their Items ….Does Someone Have Sour Grapes ?? I’m Shocked to see this being offered up on their site as a for-sale offer price now.

Last edited by Johnny630; 08-30-2022 at 04:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 08-30-2022, 04:57 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,307
Default

So many haters on this site. Two guys (maybe this thread or another) are calling the guy heartless and blaming people freezing without electricity on whoever bought this card. Shoeless Moe is doubting its a real a sale because the winner is not all over the media -- why does the buyer need to announce himself? Other people have already decided its a forgone conclusion that this card will be flipped in 6 months to 2 years for profit. Why do you assume this, and even if its true, what's wrong with that?

Someone purchased an amazing example of a top 2 iconic baseball card. They had the money, and they paid up for it. Why are they cold/heartless, or seeking attention, or looking to make a quick buck? Why such negativity toward a record-breaking sale and the guy (or girl) who bought it? And remember, there was at least one bona fide under-bidder here, and likely several more above $10mm.

Sincere congratulations to whoever bought the SGC 9.5 Mantle. If I had the money, I would have been an active bidder. I think its an amazing card and I think this sale is good for cards and the industry.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:09 PM
G1911 G1911 is online now
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,552
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
So many haters on this site. Two guys (maybe this thread or another) are calling the guy heartless and blaming people freezing without electricity on whoever bought this card. Shoeless Moe is doubting its a real a sale because the winner is not all over the media -- why does the buyer need to announce himself? Other people have already decided its a forgone conclusion that this card will be flipped in 6 months to 2 years for profit. Why do you assume this, and even if its true, what's wrong with that?

Someone purchased an amazing example of a top 2 iconic baseball card. They had the money, and they paid up for it. Why are they cold/heartless, or seeking attention, or looking to make a quick buck? Why such negativity toward a record-breaking sale and the guy (or girl) who bought it? And remember, there was at least one bona fide under-bidder here, and likely several more above $10mm.

Sincere congratulations to whoever bought the SGC 9.5 Mantle. If I had the money, I would have been an active bidder. I think its an amazing card and I think this sale is good for cards and the industry.
I think I must have missed the heartless post. Some are speculating it is to flip for a profit down the line because they spent $12,000,000 on a baseball card and that is what ends up happening with most 52 Mantles, they are bought and sold for a profit later down the line, and that profit is not a surprise. That isn't inherently bad, but it is. Most people spending $12,000,000 on a collectible care very deeply about it's value and believe it will rise.

Some expect the winner to be disclosed because that is what is usually done and the norm for huge sales like this; it becomes public knowledge. Heritage publicly discloses, and situates themselves in a place where it is legal too, bid in their own auctions and run items up often leading to speculation that they night have done what they say they can do and have done.


Disclaimers:

I do not care who bought it, and I do not care if Heritage got it on a shill bid. I do not care that someone chose to spend their $12,000,000 in this manner. Good for them. I hope they are happy. I don't need their name.

The 1952 Topps Mantle is a nice card and Mickey Mantle was a great player. This copy is a nice copy.
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:15 PM
Carter08 Carter08 is online now
J@mes Nonk.es
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,697
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
I think I must have missed the heartless post. Some are speculating it is to flip for a profit down the line because they spent $12,000,000 on a baseball card and that is what ends up happening with most 52 Mantles, they are bought and sold for a profit later down the line, and that profit is not a surprise. That isn't inherently bad, but it is. Most people spending $12,000,000 on a collectible care very deeply about it's value and believe it will rise.

Some expect the winner to be disclosed because that is what is usually done and the norm for huge sales like this; it becomes public knowledge. Heritage publicly discloses, and situates themselves in a place where it is legal too, bid in their own auctions and run items up often leading to speculation that they night have done what they say they can do and have done.

Disclaimers:

I do not care who bought it, and I do not care if Heritage got it on a shill bid. I do not care that someone chose to spend their $12,000,000 in this manner. Good for them. I hope they are happy. I don't need their name.

The 1952 Topps Mantle is a nice card and Mickey Mantle was a great player. This copy is a nice copy.
A “nice card” and a “nice copy.” Or, put another way, the most iconic post-war card in the hobby and one of the best of its kind. These are where I don’t think I’m taking a position. I’ll go so bold as to say those are both objective facts.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:18 PM
BobbyStrawberry's Avatar
BobbyStrawberry BobbyStrawberry is offline
mŞttHǝɯ h0uℊℌ
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Two guys (maybe this thread or another) are calling the guy heartless and blaming people freezing without electricity on whoever bought this card.
I must've missed that comment. Do you have a link?
__________________
_
Successful transactions with: Natswin2019, ParachromBleu, Cmount76, theuclakid, tiger8mush, shammus, jcmtiger, oldjudge, coolshemp, joejo20, Blunder19, ibechillin33, t206kid, helfrich91, Dashcol, philliesfan, alaskapaul3, Natedog, Kris19, frankbmd, tonyo, Baseball Rarities, Thromdog, T2069bk, t206fix, jakebeckleyoldeagleeye, Casey2296, rdeversole, brianp-beme, seablaster, twalk, qed2190, Gorditadogg, LuckyLarry
Reply With Quote
  #81  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:18 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
So many haters on this site. Two guys (maybe this thread or another) are calling the guy heartless and blaming people freezing without electricity on whoever bought this card. Shoeless Moe is doubting its a real a sale because the winner is not all over the media -- why does the buyer need to announce himself? Other people have already decided its a forgone conclusion that this card will be flipped in 6 months to 2 years for profit. Why do you assume this, and even if its true, what's wrong with that?

Someone purchased an amazing example of a top 2 iconic baseball card. They had the money, and they paid up for it. Why are they cold/heartless, or seeking attention, or looking to make a quick buck? Why such negativity toward a record-breaking sale and the guy (or girl) who bought it? And remember, there was at least one bona fide under-bidder here, and likely several more above $10mm.

Sincere congratulations to whoever bought the SGC 9.5 Mantle. If I had the money, I would have been an active bidder. I think its an amazing card and I think this sale is good for cards and the industry.
I agree, except that I would not have been a bidder even if I had the money. Maybe save the venom for the real villains of the world. Like the Joker or the Riddler.

With all the vitriol being flung his way, I would not be surprised if the winner never makes his or her name public.
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...

Last edited by Exhibitman; 08-30-2022 at 05:19 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:22 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 30,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carter08 View Post
Steve Cohen purchasing it would be an interesting twist.
Yes he and Kendrick could do a side by side before a game.
__________________
My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/

He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt.
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:24 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,307
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry View Post
I must've missed that comment. Do you have a link?
Post #56 above (real tough to find)

"Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell."
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:27 PM
BobbyStrawberry's Avatar
BobbyStrawberry BobbyStrawberry is offline
mŞttHǝɯ h0uℊℌ
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Post #56 above (real tough to find)

"Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell."
This comment doesn't say what you claimed. Where does the writer blame the Mantle winner for people freezing to death?
__________________
_
Successful transactions with: Natswin2019, ParachromBleu, Cmount76, theuclakid, tiger8mush, shammus, jcmtiger, oldjudge, coolshemp, joejo20, Blunder19, ibechillin33, t206kid, helfrich91, Dashcol, philliesfan, alaskapaul3, Natedog, Kris19, frankbmd, tonyo, Baseball Rarities, Thromdog, T2069bk, t206fix, jakebeckleyoldeagleeye, Casey2296, rdeversole, brianp-beme, seablaster, twalk, qed2190, Gorditadogg, LuckyLarry
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:36 PM
Snowman's Avatar
Snowman Snowman is offline
Travis
Tra,vis Tr,ail
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,930
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
Heritage, presumably. Does anyone at Heritage have any connection to SGC?
Not sure if you were joking or not, but Derek Grady works for Heritage, and he is the one who had to decide where to send the Mantle for grading (on the seller's behalf). He used to be the head grader at SGC for some number of years. He also knew PSA wouldn't give it a 10, and he didn't want it in a PSA 9 holder because he thought it was nicer than all the PSA 9s and two of the 10s.
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:41 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,307
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbystrawberry View Post
this comment doesn't say what you claimed. Where does the writer blame the mantle winner for people freezing to death?
👍 👍
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:42 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 30,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
Not sure if you were joking or not, but Derek Grady works for Heritage, and he is the one who had to decide where to send the Mantle for grading (on the seller's behalf). He used to be the head grader at SGC for some number of years. He also knew PSA wouldn't give it a 10, and he didn't want it in a PSA 9 holder because he thought it was nicer than all the PSA 9s and two of the 10s.
Yes, that's why I used the smiley. But thank you for spelling it out, probably not as widely known as I assumed.
__________________
My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/

He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt.

Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 08-30-2022 at 05:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:44 PM
BobbyStrawberry's Avatar
BobbyStrawberry BobbyStrawberry is offline
mŞttHǝɯ h0uℊℌ
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
👍 👍
Perhaps you should actually try reading members' comments before you start railing against them as "haters". (I guess it's "real tough to read"!)
__________________
_
Successful transactions with: Natswin2019, ParachromBleu, Cmount76, theuclakid, tiger8mush, shammus, jcmtiger, oldjudge, coolshemp, joejo20, Blunder19, ibechillin33, t206kid, helfrich91, Dashcol, philliesfan, alaskapaul3, Natedog, Kris19, frankbmd, tonyo, Baseball Rarities, Thromdog, T2069bk, t206fix, jakebeckleyoldeagleeye, Casey2296, rdeversole, brianp-beme, seablaster, twalk, qed2190, Gorditadogg, LuckyLarry
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:48 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,307
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbystrawberry View Post
perhaps you should actually try reading members' comments before you start railing against them as "haters". (i guess it's "real tough to read"!)
Self-edited (see prior comment immediately below). Some people really get my goat. But ultimately it’s better to use the “block member” function than to cuss on a public forum.

Last edited by Rhotchkiss; 08-30-2022 at 06:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:49 PM
BobbyStrawberry's Avatar
BobbyStrawberry BobbyStrawberry is offline
mŞttHǝɯ h0uℊℌ
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,298
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Go fuck yourself

Ryan Hotchkiss
I always appreciate when someone is willing to show who they really are.
__________________
_
Successful transactions with: Natswin2019, ParachromBleu, Cmount76, theuclakid, tiger8mush, shammus, jcmtiger, oldjudge, coolshemp, joejo20, Blunder19, ibechillin33, t206kid, helfrich91, Dashcol, philliesfan, alaskapaul3, Natedog, Kris19, frankbmd, tonyo, Baseball Rarities, Thromdog, T2069bk, t206fix, jakebeckleyoldeagleeye, Casey2296, rdeversole, brianp-beme, seablaster, twalk, qed2190, Gorditadogg, LuckyLarry
Reply With Quote
  #91  
Old 08-30-2022, 05:54 PM
G1911 G1911 is online now
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,552
Default

I get that people are excited about record sales that could help produce profits on big cards or even middle cards as publicity is great, but the repeated hyperbole, misreading of anything not serving this purpose as hating, and more is extreme in these threads on this card.

Disclaimer: The 52 Mantle is a great card. Mabtle was a great player. I like it and I like him. This copy presents well. I hope all of you make tons of cash from your cards.
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:03 PM
G1911 G1911 is online now
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,552
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
Go fuck yourself

Ryan Hotchkiss
Misreads a post and uses that misreading to criticize people. Responds by cussing out the person who points this out and is factually correct.

What is it about this card that makes people go crazy? It’s a unique phenomenon.
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:14 PM
Carter08 Carter08 is online now
J@mes Nonk.es
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,697
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
Misreads a post and uses that misreading to criticize people. Responds by cussing out the person who points this out and is factually correct.

What is it about this card that makes people go crazy? It’s a unique phenomenon.
Yeah agree it drives people crazy - like I can’t figure out why you seriously spend time to go out of your way to hate on it. It’s the most iconic post-war card. Accept that fact and move in with it and you’ll be happier. Your pop and non rc arguments against the card are a bit like yogi’s no on ever goes there anymore because it’s too crowded.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:24 PM
Eric72's Avatar
Eric72 Eric72 is online now
Eric Perry
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
Posts: 3,470
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
...What is it about this card that makes people go crazy?
In my opinion, the large sums of money which typically trade hands these days when the card is bought/sold.

Quite a few people here remember a time when a lower grade '52 Mantle was somewhat attainable. That ship has now sailed for many of us. Some people get on with their lives. For others, it continues to grind their gears.

To me, it underscores an often valid maxim; the worst regrets we have in life revolve around things we didn't do.

Yep, I should have bought that card when I had the chance. I didn't. Oh, well.
__________________
Eric Perry

Currently collecting:
T206 (132/524)
1956 Topps Baseball (190/342)

"You can observe a lot by just watching."
- Yogi Berra
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:26 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 30,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric72 View Post
In my opinion, the large sums of money which typically trade hands these days when the card is bought/sold.

Quite a few people here remember a time when a lower grade '52 Mantle was somewhat attainable. That ship has now sailed for many of us. Some people get on with their lives. For others, it continues to grind their gears.

To me, it underscores an often valid maxim; the worst regrets we have in life revolve around things we didn't do.

Yep, I should have bought that card when I had the chance. I didn't. Oh, well.
I have sold many cards I should have kept, but by far the bigger regrets are the ones not purchased.
__________________
My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/

He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt.
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:38 PM
Lorewalker's Avatar
Lorewalker Lorewalker is offline
Chase
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 1,465
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by G1911 View Post
Misreads a post and uses that misreading to criticize people. Responds by cussing out the person who points this out and is factually correct.

What is it about this card that makes people go crazy? It’s a unique phenomenon.
Actually I don't think it is just this card. I think it is certain people. I think long gone are the days where collecting cards was a hobby. Sure in 52 it was a hobby. Maybe even until the early 80s. In a short time it became an industry and there are a lot of people who have a lot of money invested. And that figure is all relative based on one's economic status. Either way, it has certainly brought out a great deal of sensitivity and shown sides of people that might not otherwise have been seen.

It is too bad that now we can now reduce fighting and unprovoked off base aggression to cards. Maybe those who keep coming unglued should take a time out and catch their collective and collector breaths. Someone's Sun was wrecked and now we got two collectors whose entire Tuesdays have been decimated due to a discussion over a baseball card. Really?
__________________
( h @ $ e A n + l e y
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 08-30-2022, 06:40 PM
cardsagain74 cardsagain74 is offline
J0hn H@rper
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 907
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank A View Post
I agree with you 100%. Thousands of people will die this winter because they can't afford gas or heating oil or electricity and will freeze to death and some guy spends millions on a friggin baseball card. I wonder if he gives a shit about them. I will guess he does not. The priorities of things has gone to hell.
Many people love collectibles. And some people in the world become excessively wealthy. Therefore, it's easy to have a marketplace where the prices for the most prized collectibles get incredibly high.

This is not anything new. Priorities are not "going to hell" all of a sudden. It's just how one part of the planet's economy has always functioned.

And the buyer might even have a big philanthropic side as well; there's no way of knowing (at least not yet) if he's the Mr. Burns that you guys want to assume.

But regardless, it's so pointless and unhealthy to let wealthy people spending their $ on an asset bother you so much.
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 08-30-2022, 07:03 PM
G1911 G1911 is online now
Gr.eg McCl.@y
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,552
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorewalker View Post
Actually I don't think it is just this card. I think it is certain people. I think long gone are the days where collecting cards was a hobby. Sure in 52 it was a hobby. Maybe even until the early 80s. In a short time it became an industry and there are a lot of people who have a lot of money invested. And that figure is all relative based on one's economic status. Either way, it has certainly brought out a great deal of sensitivity and shown sides of people that might not otherwise have been seen.

It is too bad that now we can now reduce fighting and unprovoked off base aggression to cards. Maybe those who keep coming unglued should take a time out and catch their collective and collector breaths. Someone's Sun was wrecked and now we got two collectors whose entire Tuesdays have been decimated due to a discussion over a baseball card. Really?
I agree with you and the evolution into a investment area and ego measuring contest. This card in particular seems to being out the worst though. Even threads about the trimmed Wagner don’t have such deranged fury as these do. When a Wagner or a Ruth sells for a ton of money, it’s a fairly benign thread. The Mantle seems to bring out the hair trigger tempers that just cannot take any hint of a different opinion that isn’t about pumping up the market through the roof without flipping out. Can’t wait for the next person to go nuts over an inconvenient fact.
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 08-30-2022, 07:19 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 30,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cardsagain74 View Post
Many people love collectibles. And some people in the world become excessively wealthy. Therefore, it's easy to have a marketplace where the prices for the most prized collectibles get incredibly high.

This is not anything new. Priorities are not "going to hell" all of a sudden. It's just how one part of the planet's economy has always functioned.

And the buyer might even have a big philanthropic side as well; there's no way of knowing (at least not yet) if he's the Mr. Burns that you guys want to assume.

But regardless, it's so pointless and unhealthy to let wealthy people spending their $ on an asset bother you so much.
If you want to be really bothered about money that could have helped needy people being wasted, look at some of the line items in reports on waste in the federal budget. One Mantle card is chump change. Now, back to cards.
__________________
My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at
https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/

He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt.
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old 08-30-2022, 07:23 PM
rand1com rand1com is online now
R@ndy Hart.soe
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,159
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss View Post
So many haters on this site. Two guys (maybe this thread or another) are calling the guy heartless and blaming people freezing without electricity on whoever bought this card. Shoeless Moe is doubting its a real a sale because the winner is not all over the media -- why does the buyer need to announce himself? Other people have already decided its a forgone conclusion that this card will be flipped in 6 months to 2 years for profit. Why do you assume this, and even if its true, what's wrong with that?

Someone purchased an amazing example of a top 2 iconic baseball card. They had the money, and they paid up for it. Why are they cold/heartless, or seeking attention, or looking to make a quick buck? Why such negativity toward a record-breaking sale and the guy (or girl) who bought it? And remember, there was at least one bona fide under-bidder here, and likely several more above $10mm.

Sincere congratulations to whoever bought the SGC 9.5 Mantle. If I had the money, I would have been an active bidder. I think its an amazing card and I think this sale is good for cards and the industry.
+1
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Final price drop: 1952 Topps Mathews darwinbulldog 1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T 3 05-02-2022 07:24 AM
Any idea of price on a Mantle / Rosen Dan Dee ad card cbrandtw 1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T 9 01-16-2021 07:29 AM
Final price drop and bump on this Mantle BELOW Ebay wdwfan 1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T 11 05-24-2018 09:56 PM
FS: Mantle autographed ball -- final price reduction! Scocs Autographs & Game Used B/S/T 2 01-09-2016 06:25 AM
FINAL PRICE REDUCTION before eBay : 1952 Bowman..PSA 8 Gil McDougald Yankees rookie tjb1952tjb 1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T 2 05-23-2012 01:54 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:07 PM.


ebay GSB