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A two name card has to be the top example on the bottom half of a sheet with a lower printed name from the above different player then by chance cut long/top player cut short.
So were there only two players per printed sheet? Top half of the sheet was one player, bottom half another player?
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All side by side cards I have seen have a different players. One theory is the layout could have 3 or 4 rows of each player and a dozen+ columns.

If the first row of EFGH cards are miscut they could show the names of the last ABCD row.

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All side by side cards I have seen have a different players. One theory is the layout could have 3 or 4 rows of each player and a dozen+ columns.

If the first row of EFGH cards are miscut they could show the names of the last ABCD row.

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Great stuff, Chris - I wasn't aware of this. Since some cards exist with two different names above them, it sounds like positioning was not set in 'stone'
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Exactly, we have seen your Bender, Lundgren and Cicotte in different player combinations. The Bender is extra neat as so far it the only example of a card being a top and bottom card.

I'm doubting we will figure out a sheet layout with all the possible configurations but they are interesting to track.
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Exactly, we have seen your Bender, Lundgren and Cicotte in different player combinations. The Bender is extra neat as so far it the only example of a card being a top and bottom card.
Maybe the reason you're seeing it in both places is because one is a portrait, and the other is a pitching pose (with or without trees).

Ditto Lundgren and KC/CHI variations.
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Possibly. However I am basing these off of the T206resource.com print groups & back specifics.
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Same name,
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It's easy to speculate on rows/columns being a set number of players but don't forget that Obak sheet from H&S two years ago, where a lot of the placement was random. I think there is a decent probability some randomness occurred, or certain sections of each sheet could have room for random, or ad hoc arrangements in the printing of T206.

Having said that, this is a fascinating thread. I wonder if it can be correlated with the threads about back miscuts, large borders and stamped numbers at the edge of sheets. I suspect not unfortunately. Seems like a lot of puzzle pieces are out there but they can't all be linked between all the different types of miscuts.
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Bobby, how do you do such a search on the VCP site? I keep coming up with "no results"
You need to do an ACC search for T206 and will list all the different sets we cover with backs. The GMO is for ghost, miscuts and oddities containing also blank backs and proofs, etc..
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It would be interesting to see how many of the front/back combinations for these "linked" cards sync up and how many do not.

Take, for example, a back that we're pretty confident we have a complete and accurate listing of all possible examples...Sweet Caporal 150 overprint. Taking a quick look at my index (which I think is right, but please correct me if not), I note the following out-of-sync examples from Jantz's listing below:

Delahanty (SC 150 OP confirmed) / Waddell (not)
Delahanty (SC 150 OP confirmed) / Bender (not)
Killian (SC 150 OP confirmed) / Chance (not)

So these cards must have been printed adjacent to one another on one sheet, but not both included (adjacent or otherwise) on another sheet. Along with the how many rows and columns and how were the subjects arranged questions, we also have to ask the how many different sheets/arrangements were used during production question. It's that latter mystery, I suspect, that's the most difficult to solve of all -- and the one that keeps us from getting our arms around so many elements of the T206 set.
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The 34 649 OP back cards probably were all on one sheet. Brian's side by side example, the Sheckard and Goode cards are both 649 OPs. I've wanted to see a back scan of this card for years if anyone has it.

I'm wondering if the sheets of the 34 players were selected after primary printing to be overprinted or if ALC chose those players specifically for the 649 sheet.

Reverse "engineering" these layouts is near impossible but sure is fun.
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Reverse "engineering" these layouts is near impossible but sure is fun.
This exercise is only possible with the free flow of information, including scans, in an online forum such as this. Unimaginable just 10 or 15 years ago.
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I still believe the number of players on a sheet was smaller than that. There's a group of 150 series that has only a few backs available and there are only 10-12 that fit that pattern. Even those break down into two groups, one less common than the other. I think at least that group was two sheets of only 6 players. (And that each was reworked at least once)

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For those that are keeping score, I was fortunate enough to pluck this one from the T206 double name tree. Too bad it wasn't Magie, but I'm okay with it.

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Very cool iggy, thanks for sharing.
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Wow. A 'Magie' error on the top would have been amazing....but this is good
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Isn't there a good possibility that you could have the same player/pose with a different double name if they came on different backs? Since each back did not print the same players?

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i beleive there is an example......cant remember the 2 cards tho...maybe jantz or chris knows....

a magie on top would be insane
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cool card Brian! is that Wilbur Goode's arm?

we need to catch up, been too long...hope you're well.
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Bowerman/Chance & Pickering/Myers are unknown pose/colour. Walsh top player appears to be from Brooklyn. Interesting discovery is Bresnahan & Bender are top & bottom cards.

Thank you to those who have shared their cards/scans, worked on the lists, and especially the folks who contribute/run t206resource.com for their print group/checklist data.

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Great job. These are amazing finds. I love seeing these sheets being re-created.. thanks
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T206Collector - I couldn't agree more. So many members have been so helpful in building this list.

Lee - I think there is a strong possibility that we will see a two different name T206 with different backs. I say this because I have already seen T206s of the same player with different backs, yet both backs have crop lines on them. Not long ago a member posted a Arndt Piedmont 350 with a crop line & I own an Arndt Sovereign 350 that also has a crop line. The same can be said for sheet numbers too. Its possible to see a T206 with a sheet number & then see an example of the same T206, yet the back has a crop line on it.

Iggy - Nice card!

MVSNYC - Yes that is Wilbur Goode's arm.

Chris - Thank you for the grouping photo. Its nice to see the cards in that form of layout. I will be sending you a PM shortly. I need info on the Walsh.


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Isn't there a good possibility that you could have the same player/pose with a different double name if they came on different backs? Since each back did not print the same players?

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Lee - Just wanted to add a little more info to your question. Cicotte is a key card at the moment since the Abbaticchio(brown)/Cicotte is a Piedmont 350 and the Spade/Cicotte is a Piedmont 150.

Hard to tell with the Lundgren cards since the back information is unknown for the Lundgren/Ball at this time.


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Added Rossman/McBride, second Rossman combination.

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Nice grouping photo! Thanks for posting it. You might want to check the B/S/T though, because you have one more to add to the group.



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Saw that, just updating and will post.
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Nice 649 back.

Updated with Lennox/Clancy (Clancey). Higher resolution as requested Link

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In case anyone cares a two name Billy Campbell is up for auction. Lot 48 Sterling Auctions.
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Picked up this Moran/Arellanes. It also has an F.F. Baker stamp.



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Congrats Chris!! Great eye, n a great card

also might have a w/s/t of his hair on back
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Nice card Chris!

Thank you for posting it & keeping us updated.

Hopefully I'll find one or two myself this week.


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Nice 649 back.

Updated with Lennox/Clancy (Clancey). Higher resolution as requested Link

Thats Great! This is where newer style research on this set pays off...A visual aid! Well done man!
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Jantz,

Here is another McGraw/Chesbro with a PD 350 back.
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I was hoping to get mine back from PSA yesterday, but I have to wait another week. It has 2 names. Abstein/Somebody else. (Dunno who yet) I'll post the name and scans when I get it back.
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Hi Chris,
Here is another Powell/O'Leary....
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Very interesting Brian, two miscut Powell/O'Learys. Maybe the whole stack of sheets were miscut, great find.
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adam and brian ....great finds!!!

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Anyone look into having such cards slabbed by SGC with a '2 name' designation'?
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I asked Earl at the National and he said that they had have no intention of noting that on the slab.
I was just curious - I have two nice examples and have no intention of having them slabbed.

(If Earl read this thread, he might change his mind - SGC, like everyone else, is really into the whole profit concept.)
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I was just curious - I have two nice examples and have no intention of having them slabbed.

(If Earl read this thread, he might change his mind - SGC, like everyone else, is really into the whole profit concept.)
I brought my four to the National in the hopes of getting the flips noted. I definitely would have paid for it...
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Added Moran/Arellanes & Oakes/Easterly

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Hands down, this is one of the most interesting threads I have ever read on net54. Keep up the great work gentlemen!
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Interestingly, we've seen Bender with a different name at top, a different card with Bender at top, and...

I've heard that the combination of the two also exists.
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Interestingly, we've seen Bender with a different name at top, a different card with Bender at top, and...

I've heard that the combination of the two also exists.
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This is why the back information is as important as the front of the card. Its a slow process, but maybe someday the dots will start connecting.



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This is why the back information is as important as the front of the card. Its a slow process, but maybe someday the dots will start connecting.



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