Any interest in an SGC piggyback submission? CLOSED!! Grades popped!!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I’m assuming that the return shipping rate is contingent on the number of submitted cards and their value. You indicated there were over 200 cards.

If the average card value is $150.00 (I believe this was my average), then the total value is $30,000.00 (200 cards x $150.00).

$400.00 return shipping equates to 1.33% of the package’s total value for shipping expenses and insurance. Is this reasonable? I don’t know and have never shipped this many cards or for this much money. Maybe $400.00 is the correct rate. I have no clue. Just trying to understand and rationalize the $400.00 amount.

Out of curiosity, what is the total declared value of all cards? Maybe it would be cheaper breaking the total submission into four smaller ones of around 50 cards each? No clue. We appreciate all the hard work and headaches that come with running these submissions groups, Bobby.

The total declared value is 68k. What you say makes perfect sense. Break down one huge order into 3, 70 card orders. Value each one under their $25k threshold, and walla. Problem solved. The only negative part is I already entered all the cards. It is a pain in the ass to delete cards and reenter everything. I emailed SGC. Let's see what they say. It's a shame they have no phone number to speak to a living human.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

SGC is trying to charge me $400 for return shipping!!!!!

What would PSA charge for a similar submission?

A few years I did 200 card sub to SGC. It arrived in 2 huge boxes packaged beyond secure.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What would PSA charge for a similar submission?

A few years I did 200 card sub to SGC. It arrived in 2 huge boxes packaged beyond secure.

Around $150.

[bobbyw8469]

How do these guys not have a phone number?

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

How do these guys not have a phone number?

Yeah, that is weird. Before the company moved to Florida, I used the opportunity to call whenever I had issues or questions. Always super helpful. Have not submitted a card for grading for at least six years...

Is this the ‘modern’ version now of service? Hope not.

[teza11]

I found this number for SGC on-line (800) 742-9212.

Jeff

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

How do these guys not have a phone number?

Yeah, that is weird. Before the company moved to Florida, I used the opportunity to call whenever I had issues or questions. Always super helpful. Have not submitted a card for grading for at least six years...

Is this the ‘modern’ version now of service? Hope not.

[bobbyw8469]

This whole order is turning into a nightmare. I dummied up a second order. Stopped just shy of their 25k threshhold, and still wasn't given an option for USPS shipping. And unlike PSA, they want their money up front. I m trying to get this shipping ordeal right. If they can't fix this though, then I grossly undercharged for shipping.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This whole order is turning into a nightmare. I dummied up a second order. Stopped just shy of their 25k threshhold, and still wasn't given an option for USPS shipping. And unlike PSA, they want their money up front. I m trying to get this shipping ordeal right. If they can't fix this though, then I grossly undercharged for shipping.

Bobby, im assuming the extra $1 you charge covers shipping to SGC correct?

If it's $400 to ship back to you then that's what it is. So we each have to Pony up another $1.91 per card to cover it, correct?

Don't stress over it, we'll work it out.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Bobby, im assuming the extra $1 you charge covers shipping to SGC correct?

If it's $400 to ship back to you then that's what it is. So we each have to Pony up another $1.91 per card to cover it, correct?

Don't stress over it, we'll work it out.

+1

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[bobbyw8469]

Due to arrive today.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Due to arrive today.

Due to arrive to SGC today? OR Due to arrive back to you from SGC today?

If the latter, wow that was fast!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Due to arrive to SGC today? OR Due to arrive back to you from SGC today?

If the latter, wow that was fast!

SGC received them today....lolololololol.....they were sent Registered due to the value.....that takes a little time.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

SGC received them today....lolololololol.....they were sent Registered due to the value.....that takes a little time.

Thanks - I'm hoping we get this SGC order and the last PSA one (I think we submitted it in August) before Christmas.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Thanks - I'm hoping we get this SGC order and the last PSA one (I think we submitted it in August) before Christmas.

Definitely SGC will be. PSA?? Let's reserve judgement on that one...lol

[bobbyw8469]

Guys....sorry for all the panic over nothing. It seems as though NO ONE has subbed the same cards as other members. As hard as that sounds to believe!!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Guys....sorry for all the panic over nothing. It seems as though NO ONE has subbed the same cards as other members. As hard as that sounds to believe!!

No worries Bobby, better to figure it out now so it's not snafu later.

[bobbyw8469]

Hey Guys, I am not sure Darren understood what the issue was. And judging by my DM's, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The problem WAS NOT the issue with duplicates. SGC can handle sending in 100 of the exact same card. The issue arose with duplicates among DIFFERENT MEMBERS. Take for example a Pete Rose rookie card, all of similiar quality. Say I submit 4 Pete Rose rookie cards. Darren Hughes submits 1 Pete Rose rookie card. With the way SGC enters cards into their system, they ignore the way I have them on the sheet and enter them randomly. Doing it that way, I would have no idea which Pete Rose rookie Darren submitted was.

PSA never does that. They enter them in the same way I have them on the sheet. Which basically one big sheet is broken down into various groups (to make it easier for me). But everyone's order stays together. That is how I am able to know whose card is whose when I get 5 Pete Rose rookies from various people.

I believe we dodged a major bullet this time, because as far as I can tell, no one has submitted the exact same card as another member. Instead of putting cards chronologically like I do with PSA, with SGC, I simply pull out the sheets you sent me and go grocery shopping.

As long as I know the rules, I can work around it. Another problem arises in that SGC has no customer service number for customers to call to hash out issues. They have to call me.

I have learned a lot dealing with my first (and probably my only) SGC group sub. Or maybe have to talk amongst yourselves and be like (Are you sending a 1953 Topps Yogi Berra?). I can't see myself doing that.

[drmondobueno]

Wondering if the recent crash in ultra modern prices will cut into Psa volumes. Noticed a couple Youtubers dealing in new stuff at trade shows buys the shiny PSA 10s and trades them that day for for pre 1970 Hofers, Early Topps and pre-war. Maybe getting religion, or is this a natural migration to more stable collections? I think both.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Hey Guys, I am not sure Darren understood what the issue was. And judging by my DM's, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The problem WAS NOT the issue with duplicates. SGC can handle sending in 100 of the exact same card. The issue arose with duplicates among DIFFERENT MEMBERS. Take for example a Pete Rose rookie card, all of similiar quality. Say I submit 4 Pete Rose rookie cards. Darren Hughes submits 1 Pete Rose rookie card. With the way SGC enters cards into their system, they ignore the way I have them on the sheet and enter them randomly. Doing it that way, I would have no idea which Pete Rose rookie Darren submitted was.

PSA never does that. They enter them in the same way I have them on the sheet. Which basically one big sheet is broken down into various groups (to make it easier for me). But everyone's order stays together. That is how I am able to know whose card is whose when I get 5 Pete Rose rookies from various people.

I believe we dodged a major bullet this time, because as far as I can tell, no one has submitted the exact same card as another member. Instead of putting cards chronologically like I do with PSA, with SGC, I simply pull out the sheets you sent me and go grocery shopping.

As long as I know the rules, I can work around it. Another problem arises in that SGC has no customer service number for customers to call to hash out issues. They have to call me.

I have learned a lot dealing with my first (and probably my only) SGC group sub. Or maybe have to talk amongst yourselves and be like (Are you sending a 1953 Topps Yogi Berra?). I can't see myself doing that.

Ummm...I understood perfectly fine. Look at post #162, outlining what members need to do if they submitted a card on the list of duplicates shown there. They would have to show you 'proof' of which of the duplicates was theirs, so you'd ultimately sent them back the correct card. Quite clear.

I'm glad it's been resolved, and I want to meet some of the people who have multiples of epic cards from the 50's to send in. Yowza!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Ummm...I understood perfectly fine. Look at post #162, outlining what members need to do if they submitted a card on the list of duplicates shown there. They would have to show you 'proof' of which of the duplicates was theirs, so you'd ultimately sent them back the correct card. Quite clear.

I'm glad it's been resolved, and I want to meet some of the people who have multiples of epic cards from the 50's to send in. Yowza!

Well, the 4 Minnie Minoso rookies were mine. I am thankful I was the only one to submit one.

[todeen]

The DS Griffey is mine. A DS expert looked at my scans and told me it's legit. I believe he advises PSA. So I'm not worried about it as a fake.

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[todeen]

The 1933 Gehrig is mine. It was previously judged as altered by SGC. My valuation was correct according to VCP for that card in Auth condition. Do you know why they upcharged me?

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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by todeen

The 1933 Gehrig is mine. It was previously judged as altered by SGC. My valuation was correct according to VCP for that card in Auth condition. Do you know why they upcharged me?

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Maybe you got a numerical grade this time.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Maybe you got a numerical grade this time.

I sent it in the cardsaver with their sticker attached to it. I just wanted the card slabbed and protected. If they changed their opinion after seeing their previous opinion I would be surprised.

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[Casey2296]

That would surprise me too

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by todeen

I sent it in the cardsaver with their sticker attached to it. I just wanted the card slabbed and protected. If they changed their opinion after seeing their previous opinion I would be surprised.

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I remember this card. The seller guaranteed a numerical grade, and it came back authentic. The seller then refused any refund (partial or full) and Leon banned him. Funny how things come back around.

I'm confused why you wouldn't put it in a different card saver - you had nothing to lose and everything to gain. There is no way SGC would give it a numerical grade after seeing that it previously gave it an A.

However, if you had removed the prior label, there is a chance SGC would grade it a 1. What was your logic in simply resubmitting it with the SGC A label still attached?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I remember this card. The seller guaranteed a numerical grade, and it came back authentic. The seller then refused any refund (partial or full) and Leon banned him. Funny how things come back around.

I'm confused why you wouldn't put it in a different card saver - you had nothing to lose and everything to gain. There is no way SGC would give it a numerical grade after seeing that it previously gave it an A.

However, if you had removed the prior label, there is a chance SGC would grade it a 1. What was your logic in simply resubmitting it with the SGC A label still attached?

I took it out of that card saver. I put it in a fresh blank one. I wanted him to have a fresh chance at a number grade. I may slip up from time to time, but for the most part, I know what I am doing.

[Lucas00]

I'm guessing they see the sticker and as a precaution assume its fake or being used in a nefarious way in an attempt to say a fake is at least authentic altered. Of course it's the same card but they don't see it that way. They could've done a second evaluation after ignoring the sticker and judged it as not being altered this time around.
Just a thought

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I'm guessing they see the sticker and as a precaution assume its fake or being used in a nefarious way in an attempt to say a fake is at least authentic altered. Of course it's the same card but they don't see it that way. They could've done a second evaluation after ignoring the sticker and judged it as not being altered this time around.
Just a thought

that's plausible. hadn't thought of that.

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[bobbyw8469]

VCP Average on an Authentic Gehrig is $3,200. The limit per card was $1,499.
Of course there are varying degrees of "authentic" that would make it higher or lower. I am thinking that this authentic didn't appear to be totally falling apart to warrant squeezing in under a $18 sub.

[bobbyw8469]

Are upcharges a blessing or a curse?? Look, I get it. Everyone would rather pay $18 to grade a card instead of $85. But look at the bright side. If you are hit with an upcharge, that means that your card was deemed worth more than $1,500 in the eyes of SGC. For some, maybe they got the card for less than $1,500? That would be like winning a nice scratch off ticket.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Are upcharges a blessing or a curse?? Look, I get it. Everyone would rather pay $18 to grade a card instead of $85. But look at the bright side. If you are hit with an upcharge, that means that your card was deemed worth more than $1,500 in the eyes of SGC. For some, maybe they got the card for less than $1,500? That would be like winning a nice scratch off ticket.

It's okay. I don't follow Gehrig card values, so I'm a little shocked.

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[bobbyw8469]

Who is here has Spreadsheet experience and can help post grades in the group????

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Who is here has Spreadsheet experience and can help post grades in the group????

I'm happy to help, just let me know.

[bobbyw8469]

Also guys, whoever subbed the 1968 Nolan Ryan Milton Bradley variation. I called it as such on the form. SGC changed it back to the normal version, even though it is obviously not. Please don't blame that on me. I called it the correct thing.

[bobbyw8469]

This is obviously the Milton Bradley variation. The submitter has noted it as such, and I wholeheartedly agree. I have looked at a ton of this version. Someone at SGC removed the Milton Bradley tag and called it the regular version. The white line is super hard to miss......

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This is obviously the Milton Bradley variation. The submitter has noted it as such, and I wholeheartedly agree. I have looked at a ton of this version. Someone at SGC removed the Milton Bradley tag and called it the regular version. The white line is super hard to miss......

Wow. Although the card's back is not posted, I'm confident that is a MB. The white line is impossible to miss.

I believe the MB's have a different tone of yellow, too.

Oh, well. Great look card still.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Wow. Although the card's back is not posted, I'm confident that is a MB. The white line is impossible to miss.

I believe the MB's have a different tone of yellow, too.

Oh, well. Great look card still.

And there's the telltale black notch in the 'T' in the word "STARS."

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Wow. Although the card's back is not posted, I'm confident that is a MB. The white line is impossible to miss.

I believe the MB's have a different tone of yellow, too.

Oh, well. Great look card still.

It is...but what do you do now?? Sell it as a Milton Bradley and just say that SGC labeled it wrong???

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

It is...but what do you do now?? Sell it as a Milton Bradley and just say that SGC labeled it wrong???

They likely won't do anything before it ships but I would send it back to have it corrected.

[IronHorse2130]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Wow. Although the card's back is not posted, I'm confident that is a MB. The white line is impossible to miss.

I believe the MB's have a different tone of yellow, too.

Oh, well. Great look card still.

I submitted this card and can't believe it wasn't graded as a Milton Bradley. Here is a shot of the back.

[JollyElm]

I rightfully have grievances about the top pair here, and I don't know what's going on with the 1968 Mantle.

• The Winfield rookie is a wrong back card, so after talking with them about it, here was the reply:
"The Winfield would be labeled as wrong back and get an A."

But they graded it a 6.5, even though they told me directly it would only get an 'authentic,' as I wanted it to. WTF??

• The Brett rookie is just a cool, wildly miscut card that I was under the impression would also only get the 'authentic' grade. The card itself is pretty sweet, but they number-graded it an SGC 1, presumably because of how miscut it is. Argh!!! What's the point of that? Everyone can see it's crazy cut, so I wanted nothing more than an 'A.' Were I ever to sell it, how would I explain it? All anyone is going to see is an SGC 1 grade PLUS it's terribly cut, making it fall into the negative number grade category for anyone looking at it. Geez.

• And the 1968 Mantle got an 'A?' grade. What in high heck is that? Questionable authenticity?? Do they think it's a fake? Hopefully, the slab will have an explanatory word present.

winfieldrcbrettrcmantle1968.jpg

[todeen]

Also there are two 1998 Topps Chrome Adrian Beltre, #57 SGC 7 and #100 SGC 9 (refractor). I submitted the Refractor, but my card is 70/30 centering and I was not expecting a SGC 9. I thought 70/30 centering dropped a card two grades.

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[bobbyw8469]

OK....I just found out that one of us submitted a fake card. SGC doesn't refund for fakes. So that fee is lost. The other cards are simply issues they do not grade.

[bobbyw8469]

Cards came back Friday, but I was out of town due to the holidays. Will pick up today. If anyone needs ANY SPECIAL SERVICES (ie, insurance, signature confirmation, shipped to another address), please let me know. I know of one address change, but I need to get a new address.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Cards came back Friday, but I was out of town due to the holidays. Will pick up today. If anyone needs ANY SPECIAL SERVICES (ie, insurance, signature confirmation, shipped to another address), please let me know. I know of one address change, but I need to get a new address.

Bobby, I am assuming Usps? Ok by me to the P O Box. If using ups or fedex (!), cards need to be addressed to my physical address.... clear as mud, I know.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Bobby, I am assuming Usps? Ok by me to the P O Box. If using ups or fedex (!), cards need to be addressed to my physical address.... clear as mud, I know.

I love USPS. That is who I use.

[bobbyw8469]

What a difficult sub this wound up being...lolololol.......boy oh boy.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

What a difficult sub this wound up being...lolololol.......boy oh boy.

Hang in there, Bobby. Much appreciated!