"RESTORED" Wagner - how should we feel about this as collectors?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't like fake boobs either!!!!!! But the fact is with the internet...and globalization...demand has increased for the iconic cards of the hobby...and I believe this is only the beginning of the "restoration" of cards. I don't like it...but I'm a realist!

So what next? Is someone going to cut a real Wagner in two and make 2 Wagners by "restoring" them? Where does it stop? Restored Wagner 10% real? 5%? 1%?

[C-mack]

Originally Posted by rats60

So what next? Is someone going to cut a real Wagner in two and make 2 Wagners by "restoring" them? Where does it stop? Restored Wagner 10% real? 5%? 1%?

I'm sure card grading companies much like comic grading companies require X amount of the original to be present for them to give it an grade with restore notations. In comics you cant just have a page of action #1 and recreate the rest and still get a grade,hell you cant even have the whole interior and fake covers and pull that off...

[mrvster]

great point!!

where does it end?????

where do we draw the line????

there is a fine line between restoration and recreation.....where do we draw it in cards????????????

the answer is-


WE DON'T


leave them original! unless a light soaking in plain water of foreign material (scrap book removal, simple dirt, ect)

[mrvster]

grading companies change the rules all the time.......sometimes just to fit their needs.....

who is to say what percentage the card needs to be to be considered original?>??


i'll say it.....ALL OF IT!!

if it is trimmed, it can get and authentic....

once ANYTHING, I MEAN ANYTHING IS ADDED TO A CARD...the card is no longer an original...it is a recreation



it is a simple as that


THE WAGNER SHOULD READ- "RECREATION"

[mrvster]

I wonder what type of ink was used for all the touch up????? the shit from a photo copier??? or did they hit Sherman Williams?????


also, I wonder if they went green and used recycled cardboard ????? or just hacked up another T206???? I wonder if the used a TITUS???


I can go on, and on....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I wonder what type of ink was used for all the touch up????? the shit from a photo copier??? or did they hit Sherman Williams?????


also, I wonder if they went green and used recycled cardboard ????? or just hacked up another T206???? I wonder if the used a TITUS???


I can go on, and on....

Hopefully they used a titus Johny...or maybe a scrap!!!!! I'd assume any card restorer worth their weight in cardboard would destroy another t206 for the mulch needed for restoration.

[mrvster]

excellent point.....

there should be FULL DISCLOSURE! putting that in the description was purposely left out....jeeze...every ah puts in a whole blown up financial analysis .... why wouldn't they put this in???? it truly shows how extensive this franken - wagner is......full disclosure would have shown the card used to add to the borders....

the invoice and before and after pic should have been in the description....

it really shows how EXTENSIVE THE RECREATION IS!

spend a quarter of a million on a re creation?????

[Peter_Spaeth]

They say, to each his own.

In this case, each can keep his own, as far as I am concerned. Awful.

[Snapolit1]

It's disclosed. That the sort of honest dialog we want as collectors. Buy it if you want a restored card.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

It's disclosed. That the sort of honest dialog we want as collectors. Buy it if you want a restored card.

I agree...as long as it is disclosed...I'm ok with it. BUT...when cards like this are sold/auctioned the before and after should always be shown...we shouldn't have to hunt for it.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

It's disclosed. That the sort of honest dialog we want as collectors. Buy it if you want a restored card.

That's the be-all and end-all bottom line, to me.

Hi Steve,

Larry

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by rats60

So what next? Is someone going to cut a real Wagner in two and make 2 Wagners by "restoring" them? Where does it stop? Restored Wagner 10% real? 5%? 1%?

This!


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[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool

This!


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China is busy cloning them

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

China is busy cloning them

This may not be far from the truth, with the hobby becoming increasingly global and “investment” centered.


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