EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL

[baez578]

I want to start off by saying that this isn't something I normally do. I'm on these threads like many of you to share my collections, my knowledge of certain players, sets, etc and to speak with like-minded people about our similar passion.
However, from time to time, I have to park aside the friendly posts to expose certain individuals that merit exposure.

This is the case with net54 member "bubblebathgirl"

For those of you that don't already know. BBG has done a lot of damage on the CU forum by complaining to the mods and subsequently getting many good members banned.

At first glance, the bans seem legit as the poster might write an angry post that flirts or breaks the forum rules. But, looking into it in more detail, it's quite clear that the poster has hit their tolerance level with this member.

For me, this all started with a thread where BBG was looking to sell wrappers to collectors that might want to collect them. After some concern from many members, he agreed to mark them with an X for re-sale (which we all seemed to agree on). But then, we found this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-TOPPS-B...p2047675.l2557

When he was confronted, he ignored all relevant questions regarding our obvious concerns - the most obvious question being "why would you sell the wrappers and gum?" Instead of doing the right thing and answering our questions, he began a pattern of ignoring all relevant questions pertaining our concerns, cherry picking the safe questions and answering those in great detail, and writing on other posts as if nothing ever happened.
This, of course, infuriated most of us and led to posts that ended up getting many banned temporarily and even permanently from CU. He, of course, led this charge of banning and suspending by PMing the mods (which I'm sure he will do here as well)

Most recently, he has been banned from CU for attacking the credibility of one of our best members (which is quite ironic).

This, of course, came after we challenged his sale price of a sealed case of 79 Topps BB on the BST forum. Most notably, he discredited others for selling similar items and claiming their prices were too high. But, now that he's selling a similar item, it commands an absurd premium which balloons a $15K case to $25K.

The exchange on that thread is why he's been banned from CU and is now trying to sell this case on net54.

I'm writing this post because I feel the need to inform members of his actions so that they can make their own judgments. I'm also writing this to present BBG with yet another opportunity to confront all of our relevant questions.

In a hobby that's plagued with resealers, forgeries, re-slabs, etc... It's important to know your motives for selling these items, and your motives for ignoring most of us when you feel the need to. You attack members when you see fit and ignore when we make sense.

Simply put, If you're looking to sell a case of 79 topps bb on these forums for $25K, it's in your best interest to clean up your reputation first.

Answer our questions, don't treat us like fools, gain our respect back....and perhaps you will be embraced again here and on other forums as well. If you made mistakes, just admit to them and watch how quickly we will let all of this pass.

I hope to finally see a response this.

Thanks

***In the interest of not getting banned from CU again and keeping my promise to the mods there, I will not post links to the threads.
Also, some may argue that this member should be ignored which I don't agree - especially when someone potentially is willing to give up a hefty sum of $$ to someone with a tarnished reputation. If you still want to buy from this member, at least you have been warned by a fellow member first***

[vintagetoppsguy]

I remember the mess with the wax wrappers, gum and boxes. It was discussed here on Net54 as well (beginning in post #139)...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=162605

Do you have any reason to believe the '79 cello case has has been tampered with? If not, it's his case and he can ask whatever ridiculous price he wants, but I don't think he's going to find a sucker to pay that amount.

[ZachS]

The main thing I took away from your story is that there is a guy calling himself "bubblebathgirl".

That's just weird.

[baez578]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I remember the mess with the wax wrappers, gum and boxes. It was discussed here on Net54 as well (beginning in post #139)...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=162605

Do you have any reason to believe the '79 cello case has has been tampered with? If not, it's his case and he can ask whatever ridiculous price he wants, but I don't think he's going to find a sucker to pay that amount.

I have no reason to believe it's been tampered with. That item raised eyebrows due to him changing his price. He asked for $20k... Someone on the board offers it and he changed the price to $25k. That member was obviously upset as a result. Questions were raised and he, of course, ignores them which then upsets us all.
regarding asking price, Its true he can ask for any price. I mention this item because he bashed others for trying to sell similar items for a high price. Now that he owns the same item, he wants a premium. When confronted by another member for this hypocrisy...again ignored.

The point is an intelligent debate with this member is impossible

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I remember the mess with the wax wrappers, gum and boxes. It was discussed here on Net54 as well (beginning in post #139)...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=162605

Do you have any reason to believe the '79 cello case has has been tampered with? If not, it's his case and he can ask whatever ridiculous price he wants, but I don't think he's going to find a sucker to pay that amount.

Edited to add: It took some research, but I found the thread on CU...

http://forums.collectors.com/message...23&STARTPAGE=1

[Sean1125]

I knew I would need these some day.

[esd10]

first off who in there right mind would EVER pay 15k+ for a case of 1979 topps baseball? now if it was 1979 topps hockey i can understand kinda but not baseball when the best rc is ozzie smith. second this guy will have to watch what he says on this forum because we have such great people who run this sight that wont put up with the bullcrap.

[D.P.Johnson]

I'll sell you the gum, but don't eat it......

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by baez578

BBG has done a lot of damage on the CU forum by complaining to the mods and subsequently getting many good members banned.

So you are saying that he has successfully exposed terrible moderators?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

When people's actions differ from their morals, they begin to rationalize both to protect themselves from a painful contradiction and to build up protection against accusations.

The bigger the dissonance, the larger the rationalization, and the longer it lasts, the less immoral it seems.

Another observation: the newer the board member, the longer, more complicated, and more frequent their posts.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Another observation: the newer the board member, the longer, more complicated, and more frequent their posts.

Noted. I'll try and keep my posts less complicated for the simpletons...

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Noted. I'll try and keep my posts less complicated for the simpletons...

That's the spirit. We simpletons appreciate it.

[flash300]

Dang it gum fell into the bubble bath now how am I going to reseal my box buying gum paying big bucks

[Jcfowler6]

I think the gum would display nicely.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

I think the gum would display nicely.

Question is, do you use a one touch magnet, or a penny sleeve and a top loader? Or do you put the gum in a card saver?

[nolemmings]

It can display nicely actually. Here's some from 1933--looks mouthwatering, no?:

[dodgerfanjohn]

You know, lots of this issue stems from....

I got slammed when I first went on the CU board. I know its not the biggest thing here at Net54, but at CU, high grade psa cards and vintage unopened are huge. I posted that people reasonably should collect what they can afford. I followed up by stating that because of the irrationally frenzied environment, people were buying up stuff they really can't afford. While there are big boys in the market, theres not really as many as would be necessesary to push prices to where they are at the moment.

And really theres evidence of that everywhere.....from guys not being able to pay for their group rip purchases to scammers...even some of the more "respected" members there.

This BBG issue is just another manifestation. Maybe its just me, but if I could afford to rip a box thats $1K plus....its a straight luxury purchase for me and I sure as heck better be able to afford that cost without resorting to having to sell off items that basically screw with everyone else. I don't have definitive knowledge of BBG's finances, but if $150 or whatever means that much to him, perhaps shredding open expensive packs in a search for PSA 10's is not the best use of his resources.

One more thing...if this posting hits to close to home for anyone else, perhaps inner reflection is a better idea that writing a scathing post in response. Judging by the responses to this opinion posted on CU, I'm expecting the scathing responses, but while harsh, I don't think I posted anything untrue.

[travrosty]

i can see where the wrappers would be collectible, but not the gum, why include the gum in the auction?