The Mets - Same crap as the last crap

[D. Bergin]

I’d gladly give Giancarlo Stanton and Josh Donaldson on Tuesday, for a Francisco Lindor and a Hamburger today.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I’d gladly give Giancarlo Stanton and Josh Donaldson on Tuesday, for a Francisco Lindor and a Hamburger today.

Ahhh, nevermind. How about just the Hamburger?

[Casey2296]

Don't look now, but the SF Giants no name squad with a payroll of less than 1/2 of what the Mets are paying have spun off 9 straight wins and have the 4th best record in the NL.

Still early yet but they are fun to watch.

And only 13 more years to go until the Mets stop paying Bobby Bonilla...

[Kevin]

Serious question: not that I’d trust Eppler, but when do you start entertaining trade talk for Scherzer and Verlander ?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Serious question: not that I’d trust Eppler, but when do you start entertaining trade talk for Scherzer and Verlander ?

As a Mets fan, with these guys on short term deals they are very tradeable and I’d love to see some prospects added into the fold. Feels like pride will get in the way.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Serious question: not that I’d trust Eppler, but when do you start entertaining trade talk for Scherzer and Verlander ?

Verlander has a no-trade clause. Who's going to want old pitchers making $43M a year?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Verlander has a no-trade clause. Who's going to want old pitchers making $43M a year?

If someone needs a starter for a playoff push and is willing to trade a good prospect the salary can be worked out.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Carter08

If someone needs a starter for a playoff push and is willing to trade a good prospect the salary can be worked out.

I just looked at Scherzer's contract details and he also has a full no-trade clause. Scherzer does have a player option for next season, I can't see him opting out of $43M. So he would not be a rental, even if he waived his no-trade.

Honestly, I don't see a team taking that salary and giving a prospect in return.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Serious question: not that I’d trust Eppler, but when do you start entertaining trade talk for Scherzer and Verlander ?

Good work, guys.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I’d gladly give Giancarlo Stanton and Josh Donaldson on Tuesday, for a Francisco Lindor and a Hamburger today.

I actually like Lindor and he is not worth his contract. But he stays healthy and plays. His average sucks but he is relatively steady (not spectacular) and he does plays a good position and does put up some good numbers. AGAIN NOT WORTH his contract but that is what he judge him against and WE should. the money the Mets can live with.
The contract will really suck in the later years but

You can keep Stanton and Donaldson. They have health and performance issues.

and 1 Player is not destroying the Mets it is the way the entire team is contracted, the flaws in the roster, and the overall terrible way they are playing. IF lindor sucked but everyone else played to the back of their baseball cards they would be winning alot more

[Snapolit1]

If you asked 10 baseball lifers to list the top 3 reasons the Mets are a disaster this year not one would list Lindor. I guarantee it. To argue that all their problems start with Lindor is off the wall. Scoring 7-8 runs a game lately and can't win.

If you ask Mats fans I'm guessing most of them would say Lindor is the first or second reason the Mets are where they are.

And a lot of them would comment on how much he smiles and how crazy his hair is, which I don't think savvy baseball people are particularly interested in.

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I actually like Lindor and he is not worth his contract. But he stays healthy and plays. His average sucks but he is relatively steady (not spectacular) and he does plays a good position and does put up some good numbers. AGAIN NOT WORTH his contract but that is what he judge him against and WE should. the money the Mets can live with.
The contract will really suck in the later years but

You can keep Stanton and Donaldson. They have health and performance issues.

and 1 Player is not destroying the Mets it is the way the entire team is contracted, the flaws in the roster, and the overall terrible way they are playing. IF lindor sucked but everyone else played to the back of their baseball cards they would be winning alot more

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

If you asked 10 baseball lifers to list the top 3 reasons the Mets are a disaster this year not one would list Lindor. I guarantee it. To argue that all their problems start with Lindor is off the wall. Scoring 7-8 runs a game lately and can't win.

If you ask Mats fans I'm guessing most of them would say Lindor is the first or second reason the Mets are where they are.

And a lot of them would comment on how much he smiles and how crazy his hair is, which I don't think savvy baseball people are particularly interested in.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Lindor is a major reason the Mets are not good. He’s supposed to be a top of the order perennial all star. You need one or two of those to be a good team. That’s what the Mets brass expected from Lindor and they paid accordingly. They were wrong. Is he better than Canha and Vogelbach? Obviously. Is he a perennial all star? Does not look like it.

[D. Bergin]

Lindor had a 5.5 WAR and was 9th in the MVP voting just last year. Maybe he's under-performing so far this year, but I'd take him in the Yankees lineup (and on the field) in a heartbeat over a good portion of the dead weight they've been running out there (or not) lately.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

If you asked 10 baseball lifers to list the top 3 reasons the Mets are a disaster this year not one would list Lindor. I guarantee it. To argue that all their problems start with Lindor is off the wall. Scoring 7-8 runs a game lately and can't win.

If you ask Mats fans I'm guessing most of them would say Lindor is the first or second reason the Mets are where they are.

And a lot of them would comment on how much he smiles and how crazy his hair is, which I don't think savvy baseball people are particularly interested in.

Lindor leads all MLB shortstops in Home Runs, RBIs and Runs. He also is a very good defensive SS. Some fans only see his contract and hated him from Day 1, he's a lot like Beltran, who was an outstanding Met but remains unpopular because of a huge contract and a tough first year in NY. Lindor is also a stand-up guy who answers every question after a game, win or lose.

I believe Lindor is overpaid but who cares? We have an owner willing to spend, this isn't the Wilpons anymore.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Lindor leads all MLB shortstops in Home Runs, RBIs and Runs. He also is a very good defensive SS. Some fans only see his contract and hated him from Day 1, he's a lot like Beltran, who was an outstanding Met but remains unpopular because of a huge contract and a tough first year in NY. Lindor is also a stand-up guy who answers every question after a game, win or lose.

I believe Lindor is overpaid but who cares? We have an owner willing to spend, this isn't the Wilpons anymore.

Lot of Met fans who hate Beltran or Carlos Delgado will wax poetic about Joe McEwing. Twisted fan base in a lot of ways.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Lot of Met fans who hate Beltran or Carlos Delgado will wax poetic about Joe McEwing. Twisted fan base in a lot of ways.

That feels like a (very) invented argument. Don't know many Mets fans that don't love Delgado, don't know many that love McEwing. Beltran, on the other hand, was a fine player. He'll always get heat in my view for leaving his bat on his shoulder for one of the more important at bats in Mets history. That is what it is. His Astros nonsense doesn't help either. With respect to Lindor, it's hard to judge a fan base that isn't happy with a guy who hit .235 his first full year as a Met and is hitting .215 this year. That's just gross and that, along with his OPS numbers, are a far cry from what he used to do. A fine player but leading this franchise to a pennant does not seem to be in the cards. Mets need to focus on developing talent and not trading for and then signing players that another team is more than willing to give up. Cleveland does not regret trading Lindor. I guarantee it.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Lindor's a good scapegoat due to the contract but he's been fine. I'm just glad we didn't sign Correa! Best move the Mets have made in years

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Lindor's a good scapegoat due to the contract but he's been fine. I'm just glad we didn't sign Correa! Best move the Mets have made in years

Bobby,

Not sure how old you are, but do you remember when Bud Harrelson was an All Star SS for the Mets, now a member of the Mets Hall of Fame, and he hit 7 HRs in 16 years. Averaged like 25 RBI for a season.

Just sayin.

Yes, Lindor has been a complete and utter embarassment.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Lot of Met fans who hate Beltran or Carlos Delgado will wax poetic about Joe McEwing. Twisted fan base in a lot of ways.

Ridiculous. No Mets fan ever said that. Lindor has a 726 OPS for a number 3 hitter and the supposed star player. He is a big problem. He is a very good fielder that is durable. He is not the impact player that Piazza and Beltran were and there is 8 years left of this.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by tod41

Ridiculous. No Mets fan ever said that. Lindor has a 726 OPS for a number 3 hitter and the supposed star player. He is a big problem. He is a very good fielder that is durable. He is not the impact player that Piazza and Beltran were and there is 8 years left of this.

Well Said.

And for me different times and different conversations. Lindor is not living up to his contract but even if he was the team would still be bad. The issues are still how the team was built (Eppler bad job), the performance of many players(Sherzer, Verlander, etc etc), and even the managing has not been up to par. Even the lack of hustles, the lack of discipline the little things.

In the end they can turn it around but We are not expecting it.

They should be sellers leading up to the trade deadline and make space for new players for next year.

Sadly

[Jim65]

Steve Cohen felt he needed to sign Lindor to send a message that the Wilpons were not running the team anymore.

Fans can't see past the contract and will always use that to trash Lindor. The contract does not stop the Mets from signing other players, evidenced by the Carlos Correa contract. Why do fans care so much about a players salary? If Lindor was making $10M, fans would love him.

[ALBB]

Mets now starting to find their way ....

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by ALBB

Mets now starting to find their way ....

The way they are sadly finding there way over a cliff. 21-3 and 6-0 very impressive double header.