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[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by martyp

Is it your thinking that someone purchased this sign from REA and then cleaned and consigned the exact same sign to LOTG for an auction ending one week later? That does not show any logic on your part IMO. The only way that this could happen is REA never had the sign in their possession and was consigned to more than one auction. Are you implying that REA is selling something that they do not have in their office? It would also seem that you must believe that REA did not plan on shipping this sign out since they did not have it.

REA sold the sign in the spring not a week ago.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am reluctant to post this because it feels in the spirit of no good deed goes unpunished. In normal circumstances I would have found Al's disclosure and notification commendable. That said, in my opinion, he should instead have taken the auction down. He made a bold and unequivocal statement that he would remove any card identified as altered from his auction, yet a card was identified as altered and he didn't remove it. I understand why he didn't, and of course it's easy to pass judgment from a distance, and I continue to hold him in high regard. But I think he should have followed his own policy and not tried to finesse it. Just my opinion.

[Orioles1954]

Skip it.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Skip it.

Ha. I too have drafted and deleted numerous posts, each time deciding it’s just not worth getting into. Bottom line for me, Al is one of the good guys and LOTG is a top-notch outfit.

Ryan Hotchkiss

[iowadoc77]

The consistency of the complainfest in this hobby is staggering. I love cards. I love talking cards. I love buying cards but threads like this sour the hobby in my opinion.
I should have known better than to open it in the first place. There are a ton of people on this message board and many have really strong opinions. There was no win in this situation. Because no matter what is done some will disagree. That’s life. This is cardboard and tin.
This guy, for one, is sick of all the complaining FOR THE SAKE OF COMPLAINING.
I just want the hobby. And intelligent discussions about it.
Next time I will know better than to open a thread that I know obviously where it is going.
Eric Recker. Just in case that is needed.

Edited to add- Al is one of the best in the hobby. I am thankful for him and his integrity. That is specifically for the op. Al is good stuff. Sorry if you disagree but the evidence is not on your side.

[Snapolit1]

One person’s complaining is another person identifying an issue they care about.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

The consistency of the complainfest in this hobby is staggering. I love cards. I love talking cards. I love buying cards but threads like this sour the hobby in my opinion.
I should have known better than to open it in the first place. There are a ton of people on this message board and many have really strong opinions. There was no win in this situation. Because no matter what is done some will disagree. That’s life. This is cardboard and tin.
This guy, for one, is sick of all the complaining FOR THE SAKE OF COMPLAINING.
I just want the hobby. And intelligent discussions about it.
Next time I will know better than to open a thread that I know obviously where it is going.
Eric Recker. Just in case that is needed.

Edited to add- Al is one of the best in the hobby. I am thankful for him and his integrity. That is specifically for the op. Al is good stuff. Sorry if you disagree but the evidence is not on your side.

I hate cards. I hate the hobby. I'm in to the hilt and the MAJORITY are scam artists. The intelligent discussions are on BO, where they show you exactly how it is being done . It is a huge syndicate and EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, IMHO. The have ruined the hobby. PERIOD

This is what hobbyists should be discussing , not their stupid collections...that they LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ALR-bishop]

I still like my stupid collection

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I still like my stupid collection

+1

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I hate cards. I hate the hobby. I'm in to the hilt and the MAJORITY are scam artists. The intelligent discussions are on BO, where they show you exactly how it is being done . It is a huge syndicate and EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, IMHO. The have ruined the hobby. PERIOD

This is what hobbyists should be discussing , not their stupid collections...that they LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Chuck, I understand and share your frustration but if you hate cards and the hobby why keep on posting on a card hobby forum? Why not take a siesta unless you think these posts will affect some meaningful change to make it a hobby you like again?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by griffon512

Chuck, I understand and share your frustration but if you hate cards and the hobby why keep on posting on a card hobby forum? Why not take a siesta unless you think these posts will affect some meaningful change to make it a hobby you like again?

Yes, I do think they will lead to meaningful changes if enough people would STOP doing what isn't working...That is my hope. Much like "I hope" the Dodgers are going to win another WS in my lifetime. Probably aint gonna happen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Yes, I do think they will lead to meaningful changes if enough people would STOP doing what isn't working...That is my hope. Much like "I hope" the Dodgers are going to win another WS in my lifetime. Probably aint gonna happen.

Tough to win a WS when you can count on Clayton to get shelled at least twice.

[Orioles1954]

I’ve been a part of multiple auctions where problems have arisen on the last day (or last minute) where we have either gone forward or ended the lot. That is due to numerous factors pertaining to both the consignor and bidders. Such problems are not fun particularly when your best efforts will get slammed on a public message board - not by the bidders themselves, but some observer who has an agenda of their own.

[Leon]

We discussed this before, Chuck. If you hate the hobby and will always hate it then go do something that makes you happy. Life is too short and your shit to equity ratio on our forum is becoming lopsided. We Pmd about this before and you said you would tone it down some? We all know there is fraud in the hobby and it is being talked about investigated, which is good.
But we also like to talk about fun things too. I would rather see positive talk about cards and collections but I am only one vote. That doesn't mean the other fraudulent stuff is being kept secret or squashed. No threads have been deleted and only a few moved, out of quite a few, concerning the fraud.

Here is a Forbes tri fold I picked up last night in LOTG....It went below my max bid too!

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I hate cards. I hate the hobby. I'm in to the hilt and the MAJORITY are scam artists. The intelligent discussions are on BO, where they show you exactly how it is being done . It is a huge syndicate and EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, IMHO. The have ruined the hobby. PERIOD

This is what hobbyists should be discussing , not their stupid collections...that they LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ValKehl]

With respect to the E95 Cobb card, while Al did not take the course of action stated on his LOTG web site (pull this card from the auction), I feel that Al took an even more appropriate course of action under the circumstances. I know that if I were one of the bidders on the Cobb card, I would have been much more pleased with the action Al took, instead of ending the auction for this card.

FWIW, LOTG is one of the very few auction houses that I will leave a maximum bid with. Last night, shortly after midnight, I put in a bid on a pricey (for me) card and became the high bidder. Being an old fart who no longer has the stamina to stay awake all night, I put in a max bid a couple of bidding increments higher and went to bed. BTW, I might be wrong, but I think the owner/consignor of this card was Al himself (from his collection); this thought did not give me any qualms about leaving a max bid. When I awoke this morning, I happily saw that I won this card and that my max bid was unnecessary.

[martyp]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

REA sold the sign in the spring not a week ago.

This is from the link provided. What am I missing?
Start: 7/26/2019 12:15 PM EST
End: 8/18/2019 6:00 PM EST

[frankbmd]

A shout out to REA

At least they didn’t clean (alter???) it, before they sold it.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

A shout out to REA. At least they didn’t clean (alter???) it, before they sold it.

This is tongue-in-cheek, I assume, unless I missed the memo that says it's become not OK to clean stuff. I'm a memorabilia guy, and anybody is welcome to clean things before they sell them to me, other than game-used, of course. Lots of different kinds of "cleaning" are well accepted on the card side, right? We are talking about actual cleaning here, getting dirt and other foreign substances off?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just curious.

From the original REA description, it sounds more like rust than grime.

"The offered sign (13.25 x 6 inches) displays heavy surface wear commensurate with its age and former use, including oxidation and small abrasions."

Does distilled water take off rust? If not, what does? I would imagine it would have to be something acidic although I am out of my depth.

[ALR-bishop]

Out of your depth Peter. Say it is not so

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Out of your depth Peter. Say it is not so

Ha. I know nothing about this area but find it interesting nonetheless, thus the question and glad Steve has now offered his knowledge and hope others will as well. Might as well try to learn something new.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just curious.

From the original REA description, it sounds more like rust than grime.

"The offered sign (13.25 x 6 inches) displays heavy surface wear commensurate with its age and former use, including oxidation and small abrasions."

Does distilled water take off rust? If not, what does? I would imagine it would have to be something acidic although I am out of my depth.

What was left after the cleaning was the more serious rust.

Some of the rest was probably also rust. Most surface finishes like paint and chrome are slightly porous, and water will get in and cause a bit of rust. Some of the rust appears as loose particles that gets on the surface, and can be cleaned off with water.
Distilled water can have a PH anywhere from 7 which is totally neutral to around 5.6 which is mildly acidic. It depends on how much CO2 the water has absorbed.(and at the 5.6 point, it's not much different from tapwater. )

Personally I'd have dried it with some heat afterwards, like a hairdryer. Then maybe a light wipe with oil or wax to seal it and keep the rust from getting worse. That all depends on the paint. Some paints won't do well with that some almost require it.
Like the old british 3 speed bikes, the paint by now is dried out, and often has a bit of rust showing through. A wipe down with some oil on a paper towel brings it back to almost like new.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

A shout out to REA

At least they didn’t clean (alter???) it, before they sold it.

In fact, I heard they added some more dirt to it just to be even more honest.

(That too was tongue in cheek)

[timn1]

Thanks Cb, for keeping us chuckling.
Tim

Originally Posted by drcy

In fact, I heard they added some more dirt to it just to be even more honest.

(That too was tongue in cheek)

[bnorth]

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

Yup! Herd mentality

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am reluctant to post this because it feels in the spirit of no good deed goes unpunished. In normal circumstances I would have found Al's disclosure and notification commendable. That said, in my opinion, he should instead have taken the auction down. He made a bold and unequivocal statement that he would remove any card identified as altered from his auction, yet a card was identified as altered and he didn't remove it. I understand why he didn't, and of course it's easy to pass judgment from a distance, and I continue to hold him in high regard. But I think he should have followed his own policy and not tried to finesse it. Just my opinion.

I very quickly ran thru the thread, but it seems these two posts are the only two that reflect what I thought the OP was pointing out..... I don't believe anyone commented on them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by martyp

This is from the link provided. What am I missing?
Start: 7/26/2019 12:15 PM EST
End: 8/18/2019 6:00 PM EST

Look below, it's from the spring auction.

[prestigecollectibles]

Originally Posted by martyp

This is from the link provided. What am I missing?
Start: 7/26/2019 12:15 PM EST
End: 8/18/2019 6:00 PM EST

You're not looking in the correct spot

[martyp]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

You're not looking in the correct spot

Thank you. I just did a quick look and saw the Summer auction dates in the top left and took it to be for the sign.