Cheatriots At It Again....

[nolemmings]

Regardless of whether you believe the rule is stupid or that others do it, I still expect the NFL to penalize the Patriots when this is all said and done. Despite the outraged Robert Kraft demanding an apology unless “irrefutable” evidence is brought forth, that should not be and likely won’t be the level of proof employed by the league; rather a preponderance or “more probable than not” standard will be used. BTW, Kraft’s was another public presser faux pas, as the league had asked that comments be withheld during its investigation, and yet there’s defiance right out of the gate–or off the plane as it were-by the ersatz leader of Patriot Nation. Even sycophant Goodell cannot be pleased with that.

Interestingly, I had Letterman on in the background last night and his guest was Rachel Maddow, a diehard Patriots fan, who may have inadvertently done her team a disservice. I’m speaking third-hand and will defer to any more accurate accounts, but as I understand it, she spent time on her show poking fun at the whole incident and then asked one of her staffers or interns to re-create the whole 90 second bathroom scenario. She let him practice, then had him take two bags of 12 balls into the bathroom for 90 seconds to deflate as many as he could. He was successful on eight, which apparently satisfied her that it cannot be done as speculated. Now this guy is not a trained NFL equipment guy and has had at most a few hours of practice, yet he got through about 70% of the deflating, which also allowed for time removing and re-packing the balls in the bag. Personally I never thought the bathroom thing should be construed as the only factor, since the needle necessary to deflate is about the length of a man’s pinky finger and could easily be concealed in gloves or under a towel, etc. on the field. But I am curious to see if the NFL runs similar experiments with trained personnel as part of its investigation, as I was surprised that Maddow, who does not pretend to be a sports journalist or have any scientific insight and who is on record as loving the Patriots, still came somewhat close to burning her own team.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Bill Belicheat and Shady Brady at it again. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated during Sunday's AFC Championship Game.

Anything to get an advantage.

Caught cheating again!

Please......Get a life. 6 Super Bowl appearances and you want to talk about footballs????? They outscored Baltimore 28-0 in the second half with brand new footballs. This is just insane....

[Runscott]

Kevin, what if you knew without a doubt that Brady had asked an equipment manager to deflate the balls AFTER they had been approved and marked by the officials? Remember - you know, without a doubt. What option would you choose?

• punish Brady and/or Belichek
• do nothing, and the process for checking balls remains the same going forward;i.e-it's no big deal and doesn't affect the game, so in the future any qb can do this.
• no punishment, but change the rules so no one can change inflation in the future

[HRBAKER]

That's easy you punish Brady with a suspension at the beginning of next season and if Belichek knew you take a first round draft pick and a second because their first round pick is basically the same as a second.

Then I ask them why would they do it when they obviously score more points with a fully inflated ball.

The Colts must have gone scoreless in the second half bc they were tired from carrying the heavier ball.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Kevin, what if you knew without a doubt that Brady had asked an equipment manager to deflate the balls AFTER they had been approved and marked by the officials? Remember - you know, without a doubt. What option would you choose?

• punish Brady and/or Belichek
• do nothing, and the process for checking balls remains the same going forward;i.e-it's no big deal and doesn't affect the game, so in the future any qb can do this.
• no punishment, but change the rules so no one can change inflation in the future

Scott- absolutely punishment is in order, and severe at that. The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls. But that's not the point, it is still an integrity and ethics issue. The ball boy, if he did it, was told by someone to do it. The irony in all of this is that the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, IMO. Yes, Seattle pulled out a 1 in 100 miracle, but these are the two best teams in their respective conferences....

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Scott- absolutely punishment is in order, and severe at that. The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls. But that's not the point, it is still an integrity and ethics issue. The ball boy, if he did it, was told by someone to do it. The irony in all of this is that the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, IMO. Yes, Seattle pulled out a 1 in 100 miracle, but these are the two best teams in their respective conferences....

^^^i agree with Kevin

[Runscott]

Thanks guys.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

They outscored Baltimore 28-0 in the second half with brand new footballs.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls.

I think before anyone is allowed an opinion in ths thread, they should at least get the teams right first. It was the Colts, not the Ravens. Just saying.

Originally Posted by freakhappy

^^^i agree with Kevin

Obviously. You're just as confused as he is.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Bill Belicheat and Shady Brady at it again. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated during Sunday's AFC Championship Game.

Anything to get an advantage.

Caught cheating again!

Phil- sounds like you need some cheese with your whine...

[freakhappy]

So he mistakenly called the colts, the ravens...am I missing something that actually matters?

What's funny is that I remember when I read his comment and I thought to myself, they almost got beat by the ravens....but I agreed with the rest of it, so I went with it. All in all, not a big deal and not sure why you felt the need to be "that guy".

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

So he mistakenly called the colts, the ravens...am I missing something that actually matters?

Yes, you sure are missing something. The Colts are NOT the Ravens. The Indianapolis Colts moved from Baltimore in 1984. The Baltimore Ravens came into the league in 1996. If you or Kevin can't tell the difference between the two, then watch a few more games and then make your comments. That way, it will at least look like you know what you're talking about.

Keep posting, you're just proving my point over and over.

BTW, since you mentioned "cheap shot" isn't starting a post with "Please......Get a life" a cheap shot? Or am I missing something?

[freakhappy]

Wow...miss the morning coffee or something? You are actually proving my point over and over by being a dick about something so petty. And at this point, it clearly shows that you have a problem with me, Kevin or both of us. I've never seen anyone make a big deal about someone accidentally saying the wrong team...ever. If you do, however, have a problem with me, I'd like to know so we can get to the bottom of it. I don't like to leave loose ends hanging around when we could easily resolve it like two men, not children.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Wow...miss the morning coffee or something? You are actually proving my point over and over by being a dick about something so petty. And at this point, it clearly shows that you have a problem with me, Kevin or both of us. I've never seen anyone make a big deal about someone accidentally saying the wrong team...ever. If you do, however, have a problem with me, I'd like to know so we can get to the bottom of it. I don't like to leave loose ends hanging around when we could easily resolve it like two men, not children.

Wow, an internet tough guy. Never seen one of those before.

Keep posting, you're just proving my point over and over.

[freakhappy]

Lol...tough guy? I want to talk about this underlying issue you have with me and I get a tough guy label? That's not fair, David. You should try to be sensible...you'd be surprised, it might just work in your favor!

What's this great point that you keep suggesting that is being made over and over? That you are incapable of accepting that someone made a simple mistake? Please share

[vintagetoppsguy]

Mike, if there is an issue between us, it's all in your head. I don't have an issue with you.

As far as calling a team by another name, we've already went over this. To do it once is a mental mistake. To do it twice is ignorance. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

If I called a T206 a 1952 Topps on the main board, someone might correct me. If I do it twice, it's ignorance.

[RichardSimon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feuNeJewzDo

[freakhappy]

Good to hear...you don't have an issue with me. That is what I wanted to know.

I see what you are saying about the team name being mentioned wrong, twice, but he clearly had Baltimore on the mind and I believe it was an honest mistake...don't you? I think it was just a coincidence that the colts used to reside in Baltimore and those two teams just played the pats...which might have got you more excited that he misspoke one team over the other. I think it had to do with the fact that the pats just played them rather than the initial reason.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I believe it was an honest mistake...don't you?

Maybe it was. But when he starts his post with "Get a life..." it's probably not going to end well. I know it wasn't directed at me, but it doesn't matter. Until that point, the thread had been cordial, even if we do have differences of opinion.

[freakhappy]

Fair enough. And you are right...starting a post like that isn't a good way to get things going, it just stirs the pot. And I apologize, because I was so caught up in the ravens/colts mistake we were talking about that I didn't realize that the "get a life" post by Kevin was something that set you off as well.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Fair enough. And you are right...starting a post like that isn't a good way to get things going, it just stirs the pot. And I apologize, because I was so caught up in the ravens/colts mistake we were talking about that I didn't realize that the "get a life" post by Kevin was something that set you off as well.

I apologize too if I offended you.

[Runscott]

Way to jump to conclusions that we are jumping to conclusions. I thought we were having a discussion?

[FenwayFaithful]

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[Runscott]

Unless there is a body, a smoking gun and someone standing over it covered with blood, you are jumping to conclusions and should not discuss? Okay.

[Econteachert205]

Classless Seahawks lose lolllolololol let the bitching begin bwahahahahha

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Classless Seahawks lose lolllolololol let the bitching begin bwahahahahha

I'm neither a Seahawks or pats fan. But I find it funny you talking about class. Hahahahahahahaha. Patriots are Probably one of the most classless team in all of sports and Boston is one of the most classless cities in America.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I'm neither a Seahawks or pats fan. But I find it funny you talking about class. Hahahahahahahaha. Patriots are Probably one of the most classless team in all of sports and Boston is one of the most classless cities in America.

Troll got fed fast. Btw seattle is an awesome city. Just a little poor sportsmanship on my part.

[Ladder7]

Congrats to Pats Nation!

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Troll got fed fast. Btw seattle is an awesome city. Just a little poor sportsmanship on my part.

Lol. Look who's talking.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I'm neither a Seahawks or pats fan. But I find it funny you talking about class. Hahahahahahahaha. Patriots are Probably one of the most classless team in all of sports and Boston is one of the most classless cities in America.

Brock, the Seahawk fans (not including those that post here, which have been nothing but top notch) I have seen on the internet in the last few weeks have been some of the most vulgar, classless excuses I have ever seen in sports discussions. I am so glad that the Seahawks lost. I am only sorry that Russell Wilson had to throw the losing pick. But I am glad that Pete Carroll got to lose in gut wrenching fashion on the biggest stage.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Brock, the Seahawk fans (not including those that post here, which have been nothing but top notch) I have seen on the internet in the last few weeks have been some of the most vulgar, classless excuses I have ever seen in sports discussions. I am so glad that the Seahawks lost. I am only sorry that Russell Wilson had to throw the losing pick. But I am glad that Pete Carroll got to lose in gut wrenching fashion on the biggest stage.

Wow.

Well, I'm happy for you Bill.

[freakhappy]

Congrats to the pats and their fans...great game! Fred, I bet you're happy right now...take it all in, buddy!

[TUM301]

Man that was a hell of an exciting game, just what the NFL ordered after the last 2 weeks of sideshows. Belickick/kraft/Brady really wanted this one and their remarks after the game proved it. All championships are special but this one really feels great, down 10 in the 4`th against this def. was a hell of a chore. I`d say 86 Sox, Pats/Rams, and maybe a tie for 3`rd between 2011 Bruins and tonite`s win is how I`d rank them. Seattle will be back, get Wilson a WR, and as long as Bel-Brady are around the Pats will remain a contender. On to pitchers and catchers !!!!!!

[jiw98]

Congrats to the Patriots and their fans on an exciting Super Bowl win.

I'm sure Fred is REALLY HAPPY. Congrats Fred.

[itjclarke]

Congrats to the Pats and their fans. What an amazing game, and 4th quarter comeback.

I hope this thread topic dies down along with the story.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Congrats to the Pats and their fans. What an amazing game, and 4th quarter comeback.

I hope this thread topic dies down along with the story.

It was great - no one can take those two 4th-quarter touchdown drives away from Brady. And even if Wilson had not thrown that pick, the Pats might have made a goal-line stand against Lynch. There's no telling.

I would be much more okay with losing the game if I could have woken up this morning and not read some of the tripe posted by people here who I used to respect. Really classless behavior.