Cheatriots At It Again....

CMIZ5290 · #1 01-29-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Kevin, what if you knew without a doubt that Brady had asked an equipment manager to deflate the balls AFTER they had been approved and marked by the officials? Remember - you know, without a doubt. What option would you choose?

punish Brady and/or Belichek
do nothing, and the process for checking balls remains the same going forward;i.e-it's no big deal and doesn't affect the game, so in the future any qb can do this.
no punishment, but change the rules so no one can change inflation in the future

Scott- absolutely punishment is in order, and severe at that. The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls. But that's not the point, it is still an integrity and ethics issue. The ball boy, if he did it, was told by someone to do it. The irony in all of this is that the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, IMO. Yes, Seattle pulled out a 1 in 100 miracle, but these are the two best teams in their respective conferences....

freakhappy · #2 01-29-2015, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Scott- absolutely punishment is in order, and severe at that. The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls. But that's not the point, it is still an integrity and ethics issue. The ball boy, if he did it, was told by someone to do it. The irony in all of this is that the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, IMO. Yes, Seattle pulled out a 1 in 100 miracle, but these are the two best teams in their respective conferences....

^^^i agree with Kevin

Runscott · #3 01-29-2015, 05:29 PM

Thanks guys.

itjclarke · #4 01-29-2015, 11:49 PM

I was late checking in tonight. It's heartening to see everything copacetic and everyone generally in agreement, especially Scott and Mike! You guys were never too far apart. As Scott mentioned, we've had good some OT discussions over the years, and I've had some good ones with Mike ever since we locked horns during the 2012 WS (fueled largely on my end by alcohol and the post game mob after Pablo's 3 HRs) but ended in agreement. You guys are a couple reasons this board is awesome.

Couple quick nuggets, looks like it became "official" today, the NFL refs did not bother to log the pressure of the balls at halftime of the AFC Championship.. I knew they didn't care!... and the actual weight of the balls, under inflated or not is virtually the same.

Runscott · #5 01-30-2015, 09:45 AM

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I was late checking in tonight. It's heartening to see everything copacetic and everyone generally in agreement, especially Scott and Mike! You guys were never too far apart. As Scott mentioned, we've had good some OT discussions over the years, and I've had some good ones with Mike ever since we locked horns during the 2012 WS (fueled largely on my end by alcohol and the post game mob after Pablo's 3 HRs) but ended in agreement. You guys are a couple reasons this board is awesome.

Couple quick nuggets, looks like it became "official" today, the NFL refs did not bother to log the pressure of the balls at halftime of the AFC Championship.. I knew they didn't care!... and the actual weight of the balls, under inflated or not is virtually the same.

Thanks Ian - we need more posts like this.

I think anyone who can have a heated discussion with opposing views, on the internet with a complete stranger, and it ends well - should be congratulated. When it involves football, probably moreso.

I will say this about Kevin - he's a great guy, and like a lot of people here, you need to spend 30 minutes with him on the phone and you'll understand that. And David and I have beaten each other to pulp before in these discussions, and I have no problems with him either. It takes a lot of time and I think Mike is a much quicker learner than some of the rest of us.

Also very glad to hear this about the footballs and the refs - looking forward to the ESPN and NFL Channel analyses today. I really did not like the idea of not liking Brady.

nolemmings · #6 01-30-2015, 10:40 AM

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Couple quick nuggets, looks like it became "official" today, the NFL refs did not bother to log the pressure of the balls at halftime of the AFC Championship.. I knew they didn't care!

Please explain the logic of that statement. Whether they logged the balls or not before the game is not determinative. They were checked and found to be within spec, unless you're calling the ref a liar. If anything, the failure to log them in helps New England. If the actual inflation of the Pats footballs was closer to 13.0 than 12.5 then the amount of deflation at halftime was even greater. Since they were not logged the Pats are given the benefit of the doubt that they started at the lower 12.5 psi. This is not the refs not caring, this is common sense--why log in the starting point when the rate of inflation is irrelevant so long as the balls are within the acceptable range? It's where they go from there that matters most.

CMIZ5290 · #7 01-30-2015, 03:52 PM

I am truly sorry for the mishap on the teams. I have been following pro football for 40 yrs, and it was just a simple mistake. Had I continued following the thread, I would have known of the mistake and corrected it in another post. I just now saw the last several posts of the thread 10 minutes ago. The only reason why I responded to the thread in the first place was the continuous moaning and groaning of the deflated footballs. Ironically, it was from a guy from Mass. My point was simply that the Patriots would have beaten the Colts no matter what shape the footballs were in. Having said all that, the Patriots should and will be punished strictly if this all proves to be of their knowing intentions....Thanks

itjclarke · #8 01-30-2015, 07:57 PM

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Please explain the logic of that statement. Whether they logged the balls or not before the game is not determinative. They were checked and found to be within spec, unless you're calling the ref a liar. If anything, the failure to log them in helps New England. If the actual inflation of the Pats footballs was closer to 13.0 than 12.5 then the amount of deflation at halftime was even greater. Since they were not logged the Pats are given the benefit of the doubt that they started at the lower 12.5 psi. This is not the refs not caring, this is common sense--why log in the starting point when the rate of inflation is irrelevant so long as the balls are within the acceptable range? It's where they go from there that matters most.

I'm not sure where you take exception. I'm just saying the refs didn't log the pressures at half time when the ball were found to be low. Yes, this helps the Pats... And I think it also shows how little the refs, or the league cared about this before the media blew it way up. They simply filled the balls back up and player the 2nd half. IMO, it was Chris Mortensen and others blowing this up that made it a public controversy.

vintagetoppsguy · #9 01-30-2015, 03:58 AM

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They outscored Baltimore 28-0 in the second half with brand new footballs.

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The Patriots could have beaten the Ravens using tennis balls.

I think before anyone is allowed an opinion in ths thread, they should at least get the teams right first. It was the Colts, not the Ravens. Just saying.

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^^^i agree with Kevin

Obviously. You're just as confused as he is.

freakhappy · #10 01-30-2015, 07:19 AM

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I think before anyone is allowed an opinion in ths thread, they should at least get the teams right first. It was the Colts, not the Ravens. Just saying.

Obviously. You're just as confused as he is.

Obviously, you don't like other people to have their own opinions and why the cheap shot at Kevin and me? Sounds like you have an issue with him that runs deeper than this thread. Do us all a favor and man up a little and quit being petty...doubtful, but try.

vintagetoppsguy · #11 01-30-2015, 07:37 AM

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Obviously, you don't like other people to have their own opinions and why the cheap shot at Kevin and me? Sounds like you have an issue with him that runs deeper than this thread. Do us all a favor and man up a little and quit being petty...doubtful, but try.

Wasn't a cheap shot and no personal issues. You obviously didn't understand my statement. I didn't say anyone couldn't have an opinion. I said, they should know what they're talking about BEFORE having an opinion. Calling them the Ravens once is a mental mistake. Calling them the Ravens twice in two separate posts is ignorant.