Cards From The B/S/T Finally Arrived!

[jingram058]

Seller had a nice group of cards up for sale. I responded with a PM. We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards. I send PMs and am told, tracking and a photo show delivery. Well, they did not come to me. Seller won't send me the tracking number or the photo. So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well that sucks, sorry to hear it. Any reason you aren't IDing the seller?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

How long had the seller been a member and about how many posts did he have? In other words, was he a well known poster (at least to you)?

[jingram058]

He's a long time net54 member. As Leon would say, there is 2 sides to every story. I don't want to out him here. It does pretty much suck to be out the money and the cards.

[Apple_Robert]

The seller never provided you the tracking number? If that is accurate, then the onus is on him, in my opinion.

I have yet to sell anything here. However, I have sold several thousands of dollars worth of Apple MacBook Pros, iPad Pros and iPhones over the 12+ years I have been a member on a very well-known site and have always provided tracking, as well as requiring signature delivery, and have never had a problem.

If the story is accurate as stated, I think the long time member should refund your money with an apology. Granted sometimes an emergency happens, which can delay shipping etc. but, that is rare and members who care about their forum integrity and ability to transact, will make sure to communicate and do the right thing.

[raulus]

So was the deal raw, or were the cards raw?

Or maybe both?

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by raulus

So was the deal raw, or were the cards raw?

Or maybe both?

Both. And it sucks.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Seller had a nice group of cards up for sale. I responded with a PM. We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards. I send PMs and am told, tracking and a photo show delivery. Well, they did not come to me. Seller won't send me the tracking number or the photo. So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

Originally Posted by jingram058

He's a long time net54 member. As Leon would say, there is 2 sides to every story. I don't want to out him here. It does pretty much suck to be out the money and the cards.

Did the seller provide a reason for not providing the tracking number and delivery picture that you can share in this thread? If not, it doesn't sound like his side of the story is very strong.

[toledo_mudhen]

If you haven't already - you need to get with Leon (or maybe he is already aware?) and let him know the particulars on this deal.

[jingram058]

This morning he sent a photo of the package of cards, but it is sitting on the desk in his home, prior to shipment. But still no tracking number. I do not believe he ever mailed it.

[irv]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Seller had a nice group of cards up for sale. I responded with a PM. We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards. I send PMs and am told, tracking and a photo show delivery. Well, they did not come to me. Seller won't send me the tracking number or the photo. So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

That right there is Bullshit. What's the purpose of a tracking number if the seller won't share it. Tracking, imo, is more for the buyer than the seller so the buyer can watch, see the shipping history knowing thereabouts when the cards are to arrive.
Did the seller tell you tracking would be provided when he sold you the cards?

Curious about the other side of the story on this one.

[Fred]

I've never asked for a tracking number from the BST sellers because all of the sellers I've purchased from have PROVIDED the tracking number the day the goods are sent. I've done the same thing when I send a package. I always provide the tracking information ASAP. It just seems natural.

Edited to add: If the item is inexpensive, I can understand the lack of tracking, but for anything worth over $100, I think it's appropriate.

[bnorth]

Without naming the seller what is the point of this thread?

[Neal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Without naming the seller what is the point of this thread?

yup ...

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Without naming the seller what is the point of this thread?

Use the word "raw" one more time?

Just a guess

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Use the word "raw" one more time?

Just a guess

How would you like being ripped off? Thanks much for the sarcastic BS I would expect.

[commishbob]

I can't think of a single good reason not to send the tracking number outside of an accident, serious illness, or family crisis.

I haven't sold much here (or elsewhere) but when I do I've sent the tracking number immediately, usually from the lobby of my local PO.

Sure hope this has a good resolution.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Fred

I've never asked for a tracking number from the BST sellers because all of the sellers I've purchased from have PROVIDED the tracking number the day the goods are sent. I've done the same thing when I send a package. I always provide the tracking information ASAP. It just seems natural.

Edited to add: If the item is inexpensive, I can understand the lack of tracking, but for anything worth over $100, I think it's appropriate.

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+1, this is SOP on BST.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

The fact that, after things went wrong, the seller won't share the tracking, seems much worse to me than not providing it in the first place and is very suspicious.

[Balticfox]

I agree. Not providing the tracking number when things have gone awry is extremely suspicious.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards.

How long has it been now since you sent the money?

[Leon]

Hi James
After conferring with the seller, it seems he was correct from what I am seeing. Maybe the fact it went to all of the USPS centers below was the problem. I am pretty sure he gave this info to you too, except you might not have drilled down far enough in the USPS system. Here is what it shows for your package.....I just cut and pasted it



Moving Through Network

In Transit to Next Facility


March 29, 2025


Arrived at USPS Facility

AURORA, CO 80018

March 27, 2025, 5:37 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 25, 2025, 8:04 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 24, 2025, 11:13 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 10:02 am

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 8:17 am

Arrived at Post Office

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 5:54 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 3:23 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 24, 2025, 2:20 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 3:32 pm

In Transit to Next Facility

March 23, 2025, 2:23 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 1:07 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 4:57 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 22, 2025, 3:36 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 2:00 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 21, 2025, 7:37 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 6:55 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 4:33 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 8:25 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 5:56 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 11:19 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 12:57 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 19, 2025, 5:36 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 9:25 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 3:48 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 6:35 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 3:51 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 17, 2025, 7:22 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 15, 2025, 5:00 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

TAMPA, FL 33610

March 14, 2025, 8:20 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 14, 2025, 10:18 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 10:36 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 4:11 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 3:45 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 12:03 am



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[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi James
After conferring with the seller, it seems he was correct from what I am seeing. Maybe the fact it went to all of the USPS centers below was the problem. I am pretty sure he gave this info to you too, except you might not have drilled down far enough in the USPS system. Here is what it shows for your package.....I just cut and pasted it



Moving Through Network

In Transit to Next Facility


March 29, 2025


Arrived at USPS Facility

AURORA, CO 80018

March 27, 2025, 5:37 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 25, 2025, 8:04 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 24, 2025, 11:13 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 10:02 am

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 8:17 am

Arrived at Post Office

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 5:54 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 3:23 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 24, 2025, 2:20 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 3:32 pm

In Transit to Next Facility

March 23, 2025, 2:23 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 1:07 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 4:57 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 22, 2025, 3:36 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 2:00 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 21, 2025, 7:37 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 6:55 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 4:33 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 8:25 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 5:56 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 11:19 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 12:57 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 19, 2025, 5:36 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 9:25 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 3:48 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 6:35 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 3:51 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 17, 2025, 7:22 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 15, 2025, 5:00 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

TAMPA, FL 33610

March 14, 2025, 8:20 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 14, 2025, 10:18 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 10:36 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 4:11 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 3:45 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 12:03 am



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No sir. He never gave me the tracking. He kept repeating that he would provide tracking but never did. This morning, he provided a photo of the package BEFORE he mailed it, sitting on his desk. He seemed to think I was accusing him of never having mailed it, which is not the case. I thought the package was lost or stolen, but he never gave me the tracking, so all I could do is guess. Maybe someday it will arrive, although with tracking like this, who knows. The photo he sent this morning does have my correct address on the package. This is probably the worst example of USPS tracking I have ever seen.

[OhioLawyerF5]

So did seller give buyer the tracking number or not?

I don't care if he gave him tracking history. Buyer always deserves the actual tracking number.

Whenever I sell a card, the buyer gets a photo of the package with the label and tracking number affixed.

If the tracking number was shared, that changes things. But if not, seller should be ashamed.

[raulus]

If the details provided by Leon are accurate, then it sounds like the raw deal for the raw cards might become slightly less raw at some point soon.

I hope they get to you!

Definitely no fun sitting around interminably waiting for cards to arrive after you’ve made payment, particularly if the seller isn’t very forthcoming with the details around shipment.

[58pinson]

edited in lieu of last comment by OP

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by 58pinson

I could be mistaken, but I don't see where that lengthy in transit itinerary shows as delivered.

It doesn't, and it has not been.

[hammertime]

That tracking history is insane. Not providing tracking seems like some kind of weird power trip.

[Lorewalker]

Not sure why the seller stated tracking shows package delivered since the info that Leon posted shows the package is clearly still in transit. There is NO reason a tracking number should ever be withheld by a seller. Not sure why this is ok?

If the cards do end up lost this is one reason it is great to have slabbed cards with cert numbers.

[rjackson44]

James is a good person and i see the cards have gone jn a whirlwind crazy,,it happens just got an eddie shore three weeks later.crazy sometimes,,,,i will refund james his $15 dollars .if the cards arrive he can keep them ..thx leon for your help octavio,,

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is Colorado where it is supposed to go?

[tycobb]

I feel it should be standard practice to provide buyers with a tracking number. It doesn’t take long to write or take a picture of it. The tracking number is so valuable for so many reasons. So much can be accomplished and avoided with it. Without it well


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[LEHR]

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[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

It was clear in his FIRST post.

Only to someone who can't read.

Originally Posted by jingram058

Seller had a nice group of cards up for sale. I responded with a PM. We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards. I send PMs and am told, tracking and a photo show delivery. Well, they did not come to me. Seller won't send me the tracking number or the photo. So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

Reading is very hard, so I sure hope you get some much needed practice. If your calling involves reading, you might look for another calling.

Maybe shoveling manure is more your speed.

[tycobb]

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