The trend in Wagner cards

[Peter_Spaeth]

If it goes over 85 I am seriously considering trading my 5.

[toothcutter]

Pete, in my honest opinion, they have been undervalued for years. Do not sell. Cobb and Gehrig also. Under 85 for the 5.5 m116 is a steal!!

[Casey2296]

Pete, do you remember that 30 ticket lottery that Howard was running earlier this year for the complete M116 set?
I think tickets were 1300 each and we couldn't fill the spots. A fella could have had the whole set for under 40K, and from memory the Wagner and Cobb were really nice cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Pete, do you remember that 30 ticket lottery that Howard was running earlier this year for the complete M116 set?
I think tickets were 1300 each and we couldn't fill the spots. A fella could have had the whole set for under 40K, and from memory the Wagner and Cobb were really nice cards.

Indeed. My spider sense rarely trusts these sudden exponential price surges. If I could trade my Wagner for the right variation B 311, I would not look back.

[Exhibitman]

I don't know, the way these cards have skyrocketed, taking a massive profit might not be an unreasonable "i" strategy. I bet there are a lot of collectors who'd wished they dumped their MJ rookies when the market was red-hot. That said, I think we are still on the rise with the Wagner. If I had one, I might be tempted to carry it another round or two, but I would most likely set an exit price and get out when it hits.

[Exhibitman]

I am not familiar with a B 311?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I am not familiar with a B 311?

Sorry for the lingo, isn't everyone Matty C? The second version of the 52T Mantle, #311.

[esehombre]

It is an interesting dynamic for sure - Understanding that certain players' legacies have taken on a life of their own - I paid somewhere around 1/40th of the prices being discussed recently for this one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Blue M116 SGC 5.5 just closed at 60 plus BP. The ML PSA 3 at 50+ maybe not looking like such a deal now.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Blue M116 SGC 5.5 just closed at 60 plus BP. The ML PSA 3 at 50+ maybe not looking like such a deal now.

More properly compared, the SGC 5.5 sold for $72k last night vs the PSA 3’s $53k+ in September. I feel both were correctly graded, or at least, neither was particularly better or worse on eye appeal for the grade. I think $72k is a very strong number. But I agree that $53k may have been a little too strong.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I don't know, the way these cards have skyrocketed, taking a massive profit might not be an unreasonable "i" strategy. I bet there are a lot of collectors who'd wished they dumped their MJ rookies when the market was red-hot. That said, I think we are still on the rise with the Wagner. If I had one, I might be tempted to carry it another round or two, but I would most likely set an exit price and get out when it hits.

Completely agree. I'd wager (a pittance) a few people are bidding up some of these cards looking for the greater fool. Time will tell, but as soon as a regular person goes to sell theirs, the prices don't seem as strong. Likely to be in Goldins next auction, and the one after that, and the one after that. Recently I checked a card history and it's been sold via auction 4 times in the past 2 years, 3 times via Goldin

[toothcutter]

Love the comments. The 5.5 centering wasnt that great. 72k respectful. Look at the 1.5 pastel on heritage. Will go for over 20k. Wagz running strong

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by toothcutter

Look at the 1.5 pastel on heritage. Will go for over 20k. Wagz running strong

They have an estimate of 5K. Great minds think alike.

[frankrizzo29]

Wagners are still going strong. The E90-2 SGC 2 in Memory Lane last night went way higher than I thought it would. Price is almost double what it sold for in Nov 2022. I'd say a 100% increase in 14 months is a good rate of return.

[Vintageclout]

$44K for an SGC 2 E90-2 Wagner last night in Memory Lane….and the beat goes on!

[brunswickreeves]

This active Authentic on eBay is climbing up with a half hour to go!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brunswickreeves

This active Authentic on eBay is climbing up with a half hour to go!

I hope they aren't buying it for the aesthetics.
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[JimC]

The D304 GB back Wagner in Memory Lane went for just a few dollars less than 13K. The same card sold for 5400 in August of 2022. Pretty good bump.

[Cooper1927]

The authentic pastel M116 in REA looks to be headed north of 10k this weekend.


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[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Cooper1927

The authentic pastel M116 in REA looks to be headed north of 10k this weekend.


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Yup, currently at $11,700. The Colgans PSA 1 is just shy of $2000 with BP, a record. Wags is still hot

[booth2462]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

Very happy I picked up mine when I did. It wasn't something I was looking for, but I got it on a whim at what is probably a fraction of what it would go for today. I know it's not a portrait, but I always prefer "action" shots anyway:

Originally Posted by Yoda

Rob, I was the winner of the M116 Cobb in REA's auction and felt I got it a good price. Subsequently, at this year's National I traded it for a PSA4 T206 Cobb bat off plus some cash off to complete the 4 poses. it is only in the past several years that Wags has outshone Tyrus, and I wonder with all the hype and publicity about his T206 in recent years if any Wags card bearing a like image will fetch big bucks. Think the E90-2 and Tip Top cards which have been on a roll. I would love the Sporting Life Wagner but it is now out of my range at current auction levels.
The only Wags cards held at the moment are his E92 Dockman, E95 and a trimmed, autographed Goudey Premium.
I have always found it interesting that the Ruth '48 Leaf sells for big bucks while Hans is very reasonable, if not cheap. Obviously, both are long past their playing days.
My Wags grail card is his E94.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

They have an estimate of 5K. Great minds think alike.

Originally Posted by frankrizzo29

Wagners are still going strong. The E90-2 SGC 2 in Memory Lane last night went way higher than I thought it would. Price is almost double what it sold for in Nov 2022. I'd say a 100% increase in 14 months is a good rate of return.

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[brunswickreeves]

Updated version and a card to accompany the post!

[Cooper1927]

The chart shows 29 for E103 Beckett. They show only 1 on pop report, I think the 29 is the “number” of the card for them.


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[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by Cooper1927

The chart shows 29 for E103 Beckett. They show only 1 on pop report, I think the 29 is the “number” of the card for them.


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Good catch! Edited that one and doubled checked/updated other Beckett POPs.

[Cooper1927]

Thank you sir!


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[Aaron Seefeldt]

I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

Well, I needed the Wagner for my set, but not the Cobb...so I'm partially to blame. Still lost it though.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

Besides the crease, Cobby has a nice bright look to it. Congrats!
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[BeanTown]

Aaron, very nice Cobb and Congrats. I was thinking the same thing on the Novelty Cutlery postcards, where the Wagner went higher than the Cobb.

[toothcutter]

m116 sporting life blue Wagz going strong in REA...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by toothcutter

m116 sporting life blue Wagz going strong in REA...

It would not surprise me if someone is trying to pump up the value of this issue. I have one out for trade, not complaining, but I find the trend odd in light of where the overall market seems to be.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It would not surprise me if someone is trying to pump up the value of this issue. I have one out for trade, not complaining, but I find the trend odd in light of where the overall market seems to be.

Peter, my gut is if you put your Wagner up for sale, rather than trade, you would get big value. It’s tough to trade a card of that value. Also, many times I put a card on the BST asking $X, and after getting no bites, consigned it to an AH where I get 130%-200% of $X. BST is not always the best place to sell such a major card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Peter, my gut is if you put your Wagner up for sale, rather than trade, you would get big value. It’s tough to trade a card of that value. Also, many times I put a card on the BST asking $X, and after getting no bites, consigned it to an AH where I get 130%-200% of $X. BST is not always the best place to sell such a major card.

I don't disagree, but I still don't think these levels (we will see where the REA one ends up, it's 60 pre vig now) are sustainable for this issue.

[Cooper1927]

I’m waiting to see what happens in overtime. A lot of them have shot up in extended bidding.


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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't disagree, but I still don't think these levels (we will see where the REA one ends up, it's 60 pre vig now) are sustainable for this issue.

Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.

[IMAXMAX]

I finally picked up my first Wagner card at auction last night.
Although not from his playing days(or even Pre-War for that matter), it is multiple times more rare than his almighty T206.

1964 Peñafiel from Mexico:::

[theshowandme]

$75k!

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=168537

[Touch'EmAll]

Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.

I agree.

Also, the pop on a PSA 5 and higher is 14.

Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.

The ultra-modern market can be manipulated rather easily, and I expect to now see a bunch of Wagners hitting the market. From M116 and beyond ....

[jsfriedm]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?

If that was the bottom, it wasn't much of a bottom.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What does this do, if anything, for the pastel?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Neal

Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.

Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.

As I mentioned, he doesn't have many cards that look like him, save the few I had mentioned. Just my opinion. Your opinion may be different, and that is okay.

[packs]

I've always liked the M101 and Collins McCarthy sets for having actual photos of Wagner.

[Rhotchkiss]

I think Wagner portrait are particularly desirable, considering his portrait is the most famous in all of baseball cards. Personally, aside from the t206, I think the Tip Top is THE one to own given it’s the closest thing to the T206 pose out there. We had that poll A while ago and I think the E90-2 finished first, followed by the Tip Top and the W600, but I do believe the blue M116 got many votes. It’s a great card.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

$75k!
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=168537

Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?

[packs]

Hopefully cards will get too expensive soon and we'll see a trickle down into his autographs too. His signature is still pretty affordable for a universal tier one guy:

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?

no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.

Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.

you're usually one step ahead of the pumpers, Pete! I've always liked m116's for their more realistic images over t206 and their relative scarcity comparatively.