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My bet would be on this conclusion. I have firsthand experience on buying a currency in NM-MT and it having a good sized indention in it, after in person inspection. I was told the large type scanner the company used didn't pick it up. It was a quick refund...
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He signed on behalf of GAi but I don't think there was any suggestion he was actually authenticating the autographs himself?
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Which is why a good auction house writes an accurate description in addition to the best scan they can provide.
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I don't think what "end" the auction house is on should have any impact on how they conduct their business. If this was a smaller or "low end" auction it would be OK???
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I'm guessing that this post was intended to suggest that we might expect these sorts of shenanigans from some two-bit seller/shyster on eBay, but not from a reputable AH.
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My guess is whoever wrote the description did not have the card in hand. I imagine with many auction houses -- and especially for lots that are middle or lower tier -- the short description is based on the scan the writer is given rather a firsthand review of the card.
In any case, I'd be very surprised if the auction house doesn't allow a refund or offer a workable solution for both parties. As an aside, the main writer for this auction house knows every aspect of the hobby inside and out. He wouldn't be deceitful about the condition of the card, and I'm confident the same is true of the auction house overall. Best to allow them the full opportunity to make this right. |
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Huh? What is your source? So you want us to believe eBay not only booted PWCC off of the site but then went out of their way to notify everyone who bought a card from them that they were shill bidding? That is libel so if you know that the actual reason they were booted was because of launching their "competing" platform then you might know why PWCC did not sue the shit out of eBay.
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Well, I have good news to report. I received a check from Memory Lane for a full refund on the Goudey Gehrig plus $100 to cover return shipping.
It came as a bit of a surprise though, as I did not receive a follow up phone call or an email response regarding the card after they received it back in hand. They just sent out a check. But I'm OK with that. At least they made it right in the end.
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I am glad it worked out.
I am in no way excusing selling that card with that scan, but scans are tricky. I try to scan every card I buy and sometimes the same setting on the same scanner produces very different results with different cards. Creases are especially dicey; sometimes they show up, sometimes not. If I sell a card with a crease online I try to mention the crease even if I can see it, but I am one guy doing all the tasks. The writers at ML might not have had the card in hand, just the scan, when writing it up. When you are scanning large numbers of cards for sale and have a scanner setting down, odds are you are not looking at every scan the way a collector would, and if your work flow is broken up in a manner that leaves the card in the vault and circulates images, this sort of thing can happen as a 'garbage in, garbage out' situation. Now, if ML relists with the same deceptive scans, we veer into the realm of intentionality. As far as remedying the situation, it doesn't help that most AHs' idea of customer service is that once the card is delivered, service is over. I think it more likely than not that had Snowman not started shit-posting Memory Lane on boards like this, he would still be arguing for a refund.
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That's their way of silently letting you know that they'll refund your money, but they’re really not happy about it. In situations like this, it should always follow up with an apology, regret any inconvenience, whether it was intentional or not. That's the professional thing to do.
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This was like a 2K card with an obviously bad scan, not a major sale. I have no doubt ML would have refunded the money once they got the card and confirmed the error/bad scan, regardless of Travis bringing it up here, as the mistake was that clear.
You guys can't really think that ML is in the business of ripping people off for a thousand or two thousand bucks? If anything, and I don't speak for ML -- they surely could have been pissed about this being outed before they were given the chance to rectify it. I don't blame Travis for doing so, it's a hobby issue and he's certainly allowed. But the negative backlash occurred before they had the chance to make things right and they're not the auction house known for misleading scans. They could be a bit pissed. No auction house is perfect and shit can happen with so many lots. In this hobby, if an error is fixed painlessly, we should celebrate it.
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Very smart, business move memory lane good job. No need to address anything send out the check make it right and move on. Good job.
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I don't know if "worried" is the right term, but ebay is one of the most aggressive companies there is when it comes to taking out their competition by any means possible. They have a long standing history of buying out and filing suit against small competitors to ensure their monopoly remains in place. PWCC has done hundreds of millions of dollars in transactions over the years. I assure you, eBay wants that business. They have an entire division dedicated to gaining market share in the collectibles space.
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That is just the beauty of this board. So many people with different opinions. Some support card restoration and some call it alteration. TJ I am sorry to hear about your issues with the Gehrig. I know you have a great collection and eye for detail. I agree the pics are made to look better than what you got. Glad things were made whole.
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The card is up again in their new action: https://memorylaneinc.com/site//bids...rities-auction
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Probably not the best choice by the house but my take away from this is that if the scan of the Gehrig is so misleading what does that imply about the other scans for the other cards they auction? Not sure we would know if they are getting a lot of returns unless we compare prior auction sales to the current auction.
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The description states creasing and wrinkles. I don't expect an AH with such a huge auction to make sure each and every scan used settings designed to fully convey each card's flaws. Especially for a lower end lot. Rather, if I saw a description of a PSA 1 that stated wrinkles and creasing-- knowing how 1s are graded and knowing how scans do not always show surface issues the way an angled camera photo does-- I would simply ask the AH about the card, perhaps request an additional image.
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In my own collecting experience, I've seen enough scans at various auctions of lower grade cards to know that a scan can more often than not fail to present the full picture. In reality, I would imagine an AH simply scans each lot and moves onto the next scan, rather than scanning a card and pausing to evaluate whether the scan adequately showcases all the card's flaws, and then re-scanning or adjusting settings to accomplish that. I'd therefore simply put some onus on myself as a shopper if I was interested in the item, and call or email the AH to ask for some more details or images.
So yes, it could be any range of creases or wrinkles and learning the precise degree of wear would matter a great deal; I'd choose direct communication with the AH about the lot as the best route to obtaining that information. |
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I sent them the scan of the card that shows the wrinkles and creases and asked them to replace it with the current image in their auction. Let's see if they do the right thing!
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FYI, I have just been informed by the Memory Lane office that a high-resolution scan will be posted to the website within the next 24 hours revealing the horizontal wrinkles.
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They have added the additional photos. Most notably:
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Really wish we could now remove “Memory Lane” & “Gehrig” (Replace with “Auction House”) from the title as this is an ongoing issue with the majority of auction houses.
Note: I’m happy Snowman’s issue was resolved & looking forward to the hammer price of the re-listing. Personally, I wish the topic of image / scan manipulation would get more attention. Same for lack of detail in descriptions. Here’s an example. This SGC 2.5 1968 Topps 3-D Test Roberto Clemente card was sold in 2017 by PWCC via eBay. Nice pics & description. Plus, this card is really condition sensitive (plastic was used & degrades over decades) so when buying online, an accurate listing is important. E.g. cracks & discoloration will only worsen over time and i know from owning a graded mint on card kenner star wars vinyl cape jawa that i consigned w/ Hake's last yr (it developed 2 small discoloration spots sometime between 2020 and 2023 that Hake's perfectly disclosed in their July 2023 auction ) https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1500138 This exact card sold again last month via Goldin. While they mentioned the front discoloration was faint (it isn’t) , there was no mention of be back crease / wrinkle. I get it though. The final price wouldn’t have been so high if the pics didn’t have the settings configured as it (e.g. brightness). https://goldin.co/item/1968-topps-3-...-good-2-5sowtt Last edited by tjisonline; 04-13-2024 at 02:10 PM. |
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