Good News From PSA on Bumps

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jim B, your sample isn't a fair comparison -- you picked the ones you thought were the best of your 8s. Jim C sent his in en masse. There should be no question that you would have a higher yield.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

JimB- that Matty is the best example i have ever laid eyes on...amazing card!

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Posted By: JimB

Jeff,
That is a good point, but just for the record, I sent in everything from 4's to 8's, though mostly 8s.
JimB

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Posted By: JimB

Thanks Michael.
JimB

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Posted By: Matt

Gorgeous T205!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Peter,

The 68 Topps Test Basketball set is legitimately rare and Rakosi has the best set in existence I think.

Rakosi's 48 Bowman, 57 Topps and 61 Fleer sets are all-world and by far the best.

Surprisingly there are a lot of vintage basketball sets in 1950s and they are all legitimately rare. See Jeff Mullen's website or see the Vintage Basketball board on Net 54 for some of these.

Lastly Mike has been very helpful to myself and others in allowing us to finish PSA 8 sets.

Still your point is a good one Peter--vintage basketball is a smaller world.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

My next submission will be my Ramly's, T205s, T206s, 1887 Allen & Ginters, 1887 Old Judges and 1933 and 1934 Goudeys.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Dan,

It's really been more of an inside joke between me, myself and I, but it's awesome that several of you think I'm so retarded (you are not the first to point out the correct spelling of "discern" to me):

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1211408488/last-1211487017/New+PSA+Set+Registry

4 posts down for the original "desercning eye".

-Ryan

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Ryan, even sadder is that I've actually laughed at that joke/spelling every time you write it -- I actually remembered the first time you noticed the misspelling.

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Posted By: Anthony N.

While not to take away from anyones awards or achievements on any of the registries, I think PSA would do better to honor some of those that have gotten the hobby to the point where they can grade 12 million cards and have 35,000 sets registered, or whatever they're at.
With the National being in Chicago, who more deserving and more timely than Lionel Carter? To me it's a lot like putting Buck O'Neil in the Hall of Fame, but arguably even more deserved. A card collecting Hall of Fame without the Barkers, Quinns, Burdicks and Carters seems lacking.

BTW, I believe it's Scott Ireland, not Greg.

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Posted By: Steve

Congrats Jim.


Steve

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Mr. Ireland's first name is, indeed, Scott.

I do think PSA's hall of fame is just that - PSA's hall of fame. It should be filled with big-time PSA collectors. As long as we keep it in perspective by acknowledging that there are plenty of others out there with equally dynamite collections who just so happen to not be PSA registry collectors, or even high-grade collectors, we're fine.

As for this thread, I do think it's kind of cool when people share their submission results. While I recognize that not everyone here collects - or even cares about - graded cards, many of us do, and it's always nice to see other people's results.

-Al

Edited so as to be more verbose.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Ryan, for the record I knew you were misspelling it on purpose...I'm just simply amazed that you seem to remember how to misspell it exactly the same each time.

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Posted By: Alan

I had the pleasure of meeting last years PSA HOFer Stephen Soloway. When I congratulated him on being inducted, he said he was the "poorest" of the registry guys - that many others had higher graded cards, but he was very proud of his complete sets.

I thought Mike Rakosi was already in the HOF, but if he isn't he definately should be. I am extremely impressed with his collection of basketball cards, especially his 1948 Bowman. And, I am very proud to be one of his collecting friends in the hobby and part of his fan club .

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

"all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again upon close examination"

This is not an accurate statement since PSA has deemed cards not meeting the standards for the half grade bump would be returned unchanged. Does not matter if they are over graded, graded accurately or never should have been graded. I am quite certain Jim's statement above was said to get a reaction from people. At least I hope Jim has not been drinking PSA's Kool-Aid.

Jim I thought it was ok to reference your employer since you have done so many times. And as recently as March 18 2008 in this thread.

Greg

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Anthony,

Of course you are right--I know a Greg Ireland(I have never met Scott) and got confused.

Alan,

I am also proud to be part of Mike's fan club. If you are in NYC he is also a stand-up comic at the Comic Strip. All vintage basketball cards go through Mike--I still would probably be working on my final 48 Bowmans and 57 Topps if it wasn't for him.
Steve should be proud--he has more complete graded baseball sets than anyone--probably even Don Spence.

Greg,

No sweat--I would prefer to keep my employers name off the boards. Thanks.

Me say something just to get a reaction?? You know me better than most and you have never even met me.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I just want to know if the PSA Hall of Fame is a good place to take the kids on a rainy Saturday afternoon?

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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

This is the first I've heard of a PSA Collectors Hall of Fame. Do they issue HOF postcards for each inductee? Is there an event where one can get them signed, and then slabbed by PSA/DNA?

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Posted By: Jimcrandell

We are signing items at 10-12pm Thursday morning at the national outside the PSA booth.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- once you are a member of the Hall you can get a premium for your signature.

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Posted By: Rich Klein

I'd be a collector

Rich

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Posted By: Jimcrandell

I was going to charge $10 an item but then I heard that Marshal was charging $25--of course we have to give half our signing fee back to PSA.

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Posted By: Matt

NM

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Posted By: JimCrandell

For those of you who can't make the show but would like a signed picture I will do it at no cost as long as supplies last jdc122@aol.com

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Posted By: Dave F

Jim,

Getting at you that bad to see this link floating down the board?

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Posted By: Jay

Jim--Congratulations! The hobby is all about getting pleasure from what you are doing and you seem to have derived a lot of pleasure from this. Good for you.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Dave,

If thats your way of asking for an autographed picture, you have to provide your e-mail address or your street address and I will personally give you a copy.

Actually this was suggested by a fellow board member(give out signed pictures HOF 2006) so I decided to post it.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jay,

Thanks!

Always trying to give something back to the hobby(but not my 49 FB Leafs)

Cheers,

Jim

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Posted By: Jay

Jim--I've already filled the holes, but that was funny.

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Posted By: sagard

Jim-

Did you screen your 8s before re-submission or did you just send off a set at a time?

Does it seem like PSA is more likely to bump cards with killer corners or does centering seem to be a key?

Congrats on the bumps and are you considering re-re-submitting and finding out if you garner another 10% bump rate?

Good luck on your next batch.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Sagard,

No--I never looked twice at them--just sent in whole sets or what was in 8 in that set--34-6 Diamond Stars, 55 Topps All-Americas, 41 Double Play, 61 Golden Press, 53 Bowman Black and White, 54 DanDee, 54 Red Heart, 48 Bowman baseball, 36 S&S.

No plans to resubmit these until my 24,000 other psa 8s are looked at.

Killer corners/centering?--don't know probably both.

Thanks for the good wishes.

Jim

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Posted By: PAS

My understanding is that centering is the paramount consideration as by definition an 8 should already have quite strong corners.

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Posted By: JimB

Peter,
Centering is what I also found was paramount, after submitting mine. This makes me question all the more why the two cards posted above did not get bumps. I may bring them to the National for a re-evaluation or explanation.
JimB

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

PSA says cards must exhibit centering that is at least 5-10% better than the minimum standard for a particular grade to be eligible for a half grade bump. I have heard they are also very picky about other time-of-manufacture defects such as printing imperfections, out-of-register image, etc. in awarding the bumps. Like Peter I would expect corner wear to be less of a factor -- can the graders really identify an "8.5 corner" on a spectrum of corner sharpness between an "8 corner" and a "9 corner"? I wouldn't think so; it is probably too narrow a range to make such distinctions.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Eric, also taking into account the fact that an "8" corner is nearly flawless as it is. Therefore, how can an "8" corner be better than flawless? I would think centering and other variables would cause the grade to push to 9. That and having the words "JP Cohen" on your return address label on the submitted package.

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Posted By: Rob D.

Therefore, how can an "8" corner be better than flawless?

Well, you must have a discerning eye, for one thing.

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Posted By: Anthony N.

If centering is paramount how did this card get a half grade?

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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

Please forgive my ignorance but I don't know much about hobby glitterati. Who is JP Cohen?

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Posted By: Anonymous

I may be wrong but I think it might be the owner of Memory Lane.... not 100%.

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Posted By: JimB

People tend to think that all resubmissions are from 8's. While I do not doubt a lot are, that is not always the case.

On the centering issue, I was told by a PSA representative that that to get the .5 bump, the card must have the centering of the next higher grade.
JimB

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i have owned many 8's that have touches on the corners (nowhere near "flawless")...i actually have to say that i think corners are paramount vs. centering when you get into 8's, 9's and even 10's...it's all about the corners. i have owned all of the above grades, and many of them have been off-center...but PSA seems to care most about corners, in my experience.

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Posted By: JimB

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Posted By: Bill Kasel

JimB, your cards are amazing!

What's more amazing is that PSA cant get an E93 to fit into a secure slab. That floating card look is an abortion....you'd think they could oh I don't possibly re-engineer the slabs to make it more attractive. Then again, it is PSA.

Bill

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Posted By: JimB

Thanks. They do have slabs that fit E93s now and I have had all of mine re-holdered. The scan above is old - from before reholdering. I just have not rescanned them.
JimB

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Posted By: Anthony S.

Kenneth,


Whole lotta threads about JP Cohen....

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/search?searchterm=%22JP+Cohen%22&sort=date

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Posted By: Marc S.

have you (or anyone else you know) re-submitted the same card more than once to see if it bumps on the subsequent review? I'm pretty confident that, for better or worse, PSA's objective eye is somewhat biased towards achieving pre-determined results that any review submission not exceed X% of bumps...

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that if any of these uber-collectors, Jim included, re-submitted their non-bumped cards another time, a significantly greater than zero percentage of them would get bumped.

Congrats, Jim -- huge scores on the Sports King upgradess.

Marc

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Posted By: Steve

Gotta agree with Marc.


It is a PCT game.


Steve

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Posted By: JimB

Marc,
I have not, nor do I know anybody who has submitted twice. All the cards I submitted were re-holdered with new flips indicating they had been reviewed for a bump.
JimB

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Posted By: quan

jim i remember u buying that ruth at the national in chicago...hopefully it got a 5.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I'll give that Ruth a 5.5. Let's see if I can make PSA's grading Hall of Fame.