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Posted By: Bob
Perhaps James has always held Minoso in high regard but for many years he has consistently said the most deserving player not in the Hall is Ron Santo. With all his gold gloves, Santo was the leader in RBIs among all major league players not an outfielder or first basemen and I believe is also in the top 5 in home runs for his era with close to 400. |
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Posted By: Tim
I would vote O'Doul. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Tim, Rose never bet against the Reds. Doesn't that make a difference? |
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Posted By: Tim
"Tim, Rose never bet against the Reds. Doesn't that make a difference?" |
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Posted By: Steve
Jim Kaat |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Tim, fair point, but Rose was never in need of cash -- and that is the type of bettor most likely to bet against their team. |
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Posted By: Steve
. DUI conviction (Girardi Way) |
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Posted By: Tim
Jeff- |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Tim, keep in mind that the people that took Rose's bets -- and ratted him out -- never claimed he bet against his teams. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
But even if you're only betting on your own team to win, as a manager you can still make decisions that are detrimental the team's success over the course of a season. For example, if you find out your best hitter tweaked his hamstring in the first inning you'd normally consider taking him out for precautionary reasons, but if you have a sizable bet riding on that game, you might take the chance of leaving him in there. Same thing with a closer whose thrown in three straight games and whose arm is a little sore. Usually that'd be a situation where you'd consider trotting out your setup man for a rare save opportunity, but not if you have a bet riding on the game. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Caruthers and Mullane have already been mentioned so here's a few position players from the 19th century: |
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Posted By: Misunderestimated (Brian H.)
Not to be a stickler but... |
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Posted By: CN
How can Joe Torre not be on the list of the 15 candidates. He is the only player to hit in 4 double plays in one game. He still blames Felix Millan for being on base 4 times in that game.CN |
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Posted By: Wil Jordan
Gil Hodges |
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Posted By: Marc S.
I think it is hugely suboptimal for a manager to bet for his team. When Rose had money riding on his team, it could lead him to make short-term decisions that were damaging to his team in the long run. A perfect example would be keeping a star pitcher in past the point of normal wear-and-tear, so that he wins the game, but damages that pitcher's durability down the season. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Brian I agree with many of your picks, however, Babe Herman is on the outside looking in while Billy Herman is the "Herman" that has been enshrined. |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Sorry, I thought it was a given that everybody would realize I was speaking of O'Day's career as an umpire when I "nominated" him. After all, Walt Alston's lone at-bat (and subsequent strikeout) wasn't what got him up those lofty Cooperstown steps. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Marc, fair point. But betting against your team obviously has the potential for much more mischief. |
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Posted By: Darren
Take a look at Al Oliver's stats when you get the chance. Lifetime avg .303 with over 2700 hits and 200 homers. |
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Posted By: Glen V
Rose. He was a HOFer before he bet on baseball. Yes, that's a lame argument, but we'll hear it repeatedly for the steroid era players... |
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Posted By: Misunderestimated
I think the "betting on your team" issue with Rose involved the allegation that he either bet on his team or did not bet on the game and that it called into question the games he did not bet and might cause him to make decisions differently in those games (use of relief pitchers, resting players etc) Also did he bet more on some games than others -- that could conceivably have the same result. |
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Posted By: uhohursetbaby
Lee Smith. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
Right or wrong... I can't help but blame Pete Rose for Giamatti's untimely passing. |
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Posted By: Mark
I liked the Barry Larkin post by Brian. I too think he will struggle to get enshrined, although he is so deserving of HOF honors... |
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Posted By: Mike
The biggest injustice of all BUCK O'NEILL |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Very underrated 19th century pitcher Jim McCormick |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Misunderestimated--OK, I see your point. Perhaps I should have stayed on track with the "player" aspect. |
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