Frank chance near mint condition. Help please

[npa589]

Impressed or surprised.

Just looked. The T206 are 1000000000000% counterfeit/reprints and there are plenty of others circulating with the “mlb dates” on the back. I didnt need to see the back to know this, but the dates on the back made it even more obvious. The front color clarity/quality gave it away.

Originally Posted by Wildfireschulte

I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here. We all know that Bdt’s presentation has all of the hallmarks of fake ignorance regarding reprint cards. It’s just way too easy these days to find out if they are real.

Bdt - just tell us what big city you live near and we will point you to a show where a dealer can show you real T206’s and maybe even some “large cards”. You will have your answer in 5 minutes.

[Cory]

In fairness to the poster - within Oklahoma - Oklahoma City is commonly referred to simply as "The City" since there are really only 2 major cities - and The City is enough specificity to eliminate Tulsa.

I am in Oklahoma (just north of "the City") and have offered to take a look at the t206, where I should have enough knowledge to determine if they are real via - blacklight, loupe, smell and feel.

Can't really help with any of the others, though.

Scott - we should hook up when you are in OKC - I have a ginormous pile of 1932 Bulgaria Sport (No Ruth unfortunately), but multiples of most that you may be interested in.

[rhettyeakley]

Something Stinks in Denmark.

Grainy pictures of cards with a bizarre dot matrix code on bottom of the cards?

Even if real (which I am not saying they are based on the terrible images) the little added code would kill the grade so you do NOT have the "nicest" examples of these cards by any stretch of the imagination.

They would likely grade AUTH or perhaps a grade of 1.5 to 2 given the added ink on back.

Personally feel we are looking at fake cards and I suspect the person that started the thread already knows this.

[bigfanNY]

This entire thread reads like a real life example of the Fairy tale " The Kings New Clothes " lots of ohhs and ahhhs and dose the mark in back hurt the value. Until the word Reprint shows up....then it's he's a clown Bigfoot of course he knew.
This hobby suffers enough from fraud. How this was not shot down instantly on THIS BOARD..I cannot understand. How would you feel if some local shop owner was shown some of the early posts and bought them?
The Hobby is supposed to be fun and getting clipped is the exact opposite of fun. At least it is here on exit 132 on the NJ parkway.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

This entire thread reads like a real life example of the Fairy tale " The Kings New Clothes " lots of ohhs and ahhhs and dose the mark in back hurt the value. Until the word Reprint shows up....then it's he's a clown Bigfoot of course he knew.
This hobby suffers enough from fraud. How this was not shot down instantly on THIS BOARD..I cannot understand. How would you feel if some local shop owner was shown some of the early posts and bought them?
The Hobby is supposed to be fun and getting clipped is the exact opposite of fun. At least it is here on exit 132 on the NJ parkway.

These were blurry online photos posted by some anonymous new member. Having an item in hand is much different.

If someone has a hobby shop, they should either have the skill/experience to authenticate an incoming item or refrain from buying it.

As for not shooting this down right away, perhaps we're trying to not be the high-horse riding butt-hurt snowflakes Bigfoot accused us of being.

[asoriano]

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes.

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Eric72

These were blurry online photos posted by some anonymous new member. Having an item in hand is much different.

Are you saying that you could not identify the cards as reprints from the original photos? Then why offer any opinion? Unless as I suggested $$

If someone has a hobby shop, they should either have the skill/experience to authenticate an incoming item or
refrain from buying it.

So Not everyone has the ability to identify the reprints but many on this board do and did. But wishy washy statements don't help and could sway someone to buy. I
personally would not be happy if I did that. Some would
say buyer beware. I can see both points.

As for not shooting this down right away, perhaps we're trying to not be the high-horse riding butt-hurt
snowflakes Bigfoot accused us of being.

As for your last point simply refraining from high- horse riding butt hurt snowflake comments should eliminate the issue..not that I have seen you make any..

Hope this helps
J

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Are you saying that you could not identify the cards as reprints from the original photos? Then why offer any opinion? Unless as I suggested $$

Correct. I cannot definitively state the cards are reprints from the photos provided. I thought it would helpful to engage the OP, with an eye towards getting better (clearer) pictures.

The following is not directed at you. I'm just putting it out there, in case anyone is unclear:

1. I don't know the OP
2. I have no financial interest in the items pictured in this thread

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Something Stinks in Denmark.

Denmark City?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Shocked at how many replies before the kraken was unleashed. lol

zero percent chance in any city these are real.

[PhillyFan1883]

I will take them for $1 each just to own a piece of net54 history.. I may even pick up shipping cost. God forbid if they were stolen in transit to a grading company with insured shipping or even worse a buyer.. how could they live with themselves for not meeting up in -City-

[scottglevy]

Originally Posted by asoriano

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes.

IMO they are far superior to most reprints. For instance the name uses the proper typeface and coloring - which is unusual. However, reviewing the admittedly fuzzy pics - I simply can’t imagine these to be genuine. Certain aspects of the cards such as coloring or 50/50 all around centering is just not aligned with genuine T206 reality.

[ullmandds]

The t3 certainly is fake.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

The t3 certainly is fake.

The owner/seller has been researching these cards, and the card you refer to is a "big card."

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Mark17

The owner/seller has been researching these cards, and the card you refer to is a "big card."

"Big Card" is how collectors from "City" refer to T3's

[steve B]

Does anyone know the origin of that idea that grading companies will steal the card/coin/stamp and replace it with a common one or reprint?

I have to think it happened at some point in the past, but don't remember ever hearing about it as an actual event*

*being different from the occasional losing of a submission that happens.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by steve B

Does anyone know the origin of that idea that grading companies will steal the card/coin/stamp and replace it with a common one or reprint?

I have to think it happened at some point in the past, but don't remember ever hearing about it as an actual event*

*being different from the occasional losing of a submission that happens.

I have not heard of that happening specifically, but perhaps others have. I have heard many instances of the TPG dinging corners, creating creases and staining cards' surfaces. Not sure they've ever fessed up to it voluntarily with their submitters. But I have heard a number of instances where the submitter noticed it, filed a complaint, and got some type of restitution.

I know that doesn't answer your specific question, but is somewhat related in concept.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I have not heard of that happening specifically, but perhaps others have. I have heard many instances of the TPG dinging corners, creating creases and staining cards' surfaces. Not sure they've ever fessed up to it voluntarily with their submitters. But I have heard a number of instances where the submitter noticed it, filed a complaint, and got some type of restitution.

I know that doesn't answer your specific question, but is somewhat related in concept.

I know of at least two instances where PSA reached out and told a submitter that they damaged a card.

[Bpm0014]

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes

I've handled thousands (?) and I think they may be real as well. Horrible pictures, but they don't jump out as obvious reprints

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes

I've handled thousands (?) and I think they may be real as well. Horrible pictures, but they don't jump out as obvious reprints

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

[Bpm0014]

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

[cubman1941]

Originally Posted by Cory

In fairness to the poster - within Oklahoma - Oklahoma City is commonly referred to simply as "The City" since there are really only 2 major cities - and The City is enough specificity to eliminate Tulsa.

I am in Oklahoma (just north of "the City") and have offered to take a look at the t206, where I should have enough knowledge to determine if they are real via - blacklight, loupe, smell and feel.

Can't really help with any of the others, though.

Scott - we should hook up when you are in OKC - I have a ginormous pile of 1932 Bulgaria Sport (No Ruth unfortunately), but multiples of most that you may be interested in.

Cory, it will be interesting to see if the OP contacts you and takes you up on your offer.

[judsonhamlin]

Maybe the OP can consign them
To Leland’s/Clean Sweep

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J

I'm glad you were confident, at a glance, that these were reprints.

Clearly, the black letters/numbers aren't original to T206 cards. I believe everyone on the board can agree with that. Since those markings could be applied to genuine examples, though, I gather there's something else tipping you off.

I don't mean the OP, their story, etc. That's all background noise. Cards are either real or fake, independent of everything else. I'm trying to figure out what element of this card identifies it as fake. Again, not the black markings.

The reason I'm focused on this is perhaps a bit self-centered. I buy T206 cards. I occasionally buy them raw. If there's a new version of counterfeits circulating, it would be helpful to know. For instance, as someone else mentioned, the name and team are printed in a way that is usually not found on fakes.

Higher quality images would help; however, the OP hasn't posted them.

Having the card in hand would provide a definitive answer. I'm not driving to Oklahoma, though. Among other reasons, I have no interest in buying the cards.

What interests me is figuring out whether there's a new "generation" of fakes out there. A few long-time members have also chimed in on this thread. They weren't sure these cards were fake, either. From what I've seen in the past, it's typical for this board to call out a fake T206 rather quickly...and unanimously.

[Bdt1981]

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[Bdt1981]

Originally Posted by npa589

Impressed or surprised.

Just looked. The T206 are 1000000000000% counterfeit/reprints and there are plenty of others circulating with the “mlb dates” on the back. I didnt need to see the back to know this, but the dates on the back made it even more obvious. The front color clarity/quality gave it away.

Show me cards with the mlb 09 stamp please

[Bdt1981]

Here

[Bpm0014]

Show the entire T206 card with a good picture. Not some half ass blurry pic from some 1997 Nokia flip phone.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Why is any of this being seriously entertained? Can't we all just end the joke?

[judsonhamlin]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Why is any of this being seriously entertained? Can't we all just end the joke?

Yeah, it’s about run its course. We’re entering the ‘son of ex-Nigerian Oil Minister’ realm

[Bdt1981]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

"Big Card" is how collectors from "City" refer to T3's

Actually I'm not a collector. That's the reason for my ignorance bro. Lol... Mr big card collector man.

[Bdt1981]

Hope it's enough

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Bdt1981

Hope it's enough

Buddy it was enough 2 weeks ago. How many fake / reprint cards do you feel the need to post? With your last post (with the Wagner with the back damage where the word reprint was printed, it is crystal clear you know what your doing. Great, Good for you mister Scam artist man. Thank you for reminding all of us (me included) that folks like you are ready and willing to take every red cent you can if we drop our guard for even a second.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Bdt1981

Hope it's enough

It’s enough, and it’s fake.

[campyfan39]

Why hasn't he been banned already?

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Buddy it was enough 2 weeks ago. How many fake / reprint cards do you feel the need to post? With your last post (with the Wagner with the back damage where the word reprint was printed, it is crystal clear you know what your doing. Great, Good for you mister Scam artist man. Thank you for reminding all of us (me included) that folks like you are ready and willing to take every red cent you can if we drop our guard for even a second.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Pretty sure he was banned on Blowout not too too long ago

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[npa589]

You ask and you shall receive, gotcha! Can we just ban him….he has been trying to coyly pawn off reprints he just bought from ebay. These are the exact four he has been posting in BST.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/29690568932...mis&media=COPY

[Bdt1981]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Pretty sure he was banned on Blowout not too too long ago

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You are sadly mistaken. Wtf is blowout. Banned for what? I'm not even saying the cards are real. Have I once stated these are legit t206 cards? He'll no I haven't. I'm not trying to scam anybody. Have I asked for millions of dollars? Have I asked for any dollars? These cards along with some other things came exactly where I said they came from. Here is a couple letters that were in with the cards. What you think about these

[npa589]

Alright. We are one step away from George Washington’s teeth being pulled out of a tin lunchbox.


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[npa589]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Why is any of this being seriously entertained? Can't we all just end the joke?

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[Bdt1981]

That is a letter from president Franklin Roosevelt asking them to allow baseball to continue thru ww2 and Jackie Robinsons retirement letter.

[Bdt1981]

Originally Posted by npa589

Alright. We are one step away from George Washington’s teeth being pulled out of a tin lunchbox.


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You think I made these? Lol. Boy you top notch collectors are snobbie

[Bdt1981]

Originally Posted by npa589

You ask and you shall receive, gotcha! Can we just ban him….he has been trying to coyly pawn off reprints he just bought from ebay. These are the exact four he has been posting in BST.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/29690568932...mis&media=COPY

Pawn off I'm only asking how to tell if they are legit. None of you could afford one of these cards.

[bigfanNY]

I timed it, it took me 7 seconds to find definitive proof that your Jackie Robinson letter was a Fake! Please stop posting your trash. I won't spend another 7 seconds proving your FDR letter is trash because it is but it's just not worth my time. I have no idea what dark hole you crawled out of. But Please just crawl back in.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

I won't spend another 7 seconds proving your FDR letter is trash because it is but it's just not worth my time.

Its at the baseball hof museum lol.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

This is just so asinine. Please lock this thread already.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bdt1981

Pawn off I'm only asking how to tell if they are legit. None of you could afford one of these cards.

You are welcome to stay, but if you show anymore fakes and reprints you are out of here. Collect with the rest of us (real cards) or please go someplace else to try to get people to think your fakes are real. Not one of them is. This isn't the best place to try to get over like you are. Maybe go to some Reddit place or Instagram or something. And most of us can afford everything you have shown, except the T206 Wagner....then I would have to sell my house and I can't live in a card!

PS...I changed my mind as I don't want to deal with this any longer. Good bye BDT!
.

[Johnny T]

Originally Posted by Brick442

Haha bingo! … exit 74

exit 63 here!