LOTG Fall 2023 Wins

[ChasingPaper]

The player in the background is wearing a Chicago Whales uniform.

Originally Posted by jjbond

I picked up a nice set of Victorian Trade cards that had been on my want list, and a few more Federal League photos. However, upon closer analysis this morning, it turns out that one of the Federal League photos I picked up is actually a 1916 Cubs picture. (Please see my other thread trying to identify the player in the background)

[nolemmings]

Thanks Jay and nice Cicotte yourself Daniel--thanks for either not bidding or stopping short. The 1916 card prices were modest compared to the 1921's. I got skunked on the Herps, not in the ballpark on most or even in the nearby parking lot on others. Really wanted the Hooper but it was not to be and they all ended up beyond my reach. Oh well, the Morehouse hit the spot for me, and I could even have a few $$$ left over to spend on the Holidays, assuming my computer crashes and I can't bid on any more auctions beforehand.

[jjbond]

Originally Posted by ChasingPaper

The player in the background is wearing a Chicago Whales uniform.

Right. Part of the mystery I unraveled this morning (detailed in the other thread) is that this is not a picture of the Chicago Whales as advertised, but a post-merger 1916 Spring Training picture of the Cubs wearing the old uniforms.

[Brian Van Horn]

OT and of course not picked up in the auction, but my three favorite Sisler cards.

[Tim Kindler]

I was very happy to pick up the Crawford fielding T206 SGC 3.5 and a couple of E98s for old time feelings.......
The Crawford gets it down to 48 to go to tame The Monster.

On another note, does anyone have any idea how the E98 Chase in a 3 went for over a grand??? Phil, or other E98 folks, do you have any idea what I might be missing? Just seemed really high!
Tim Kindler

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Someone really wanted this Sisler, and I cannot blame them.

My lone win!

Let’s see yours!


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Hi Don,
Congrats on winning this nice looking Sisler card in LOTG. However, the bottom border leads me to very strongly suspect that SGC erred in identifying this as a W575-1 card. Rather, I suspect it is a W501 Type 2 card, which I don't think has yet been recognized by the TPGs. I believe Rhett Y. is the resident expert re these W501 cards - perhaps he will chime in.

As many are aware, I'm an avid collector of Sam Rice cards, and I have examples of his W575-1, W501 Type 1, and W501 Type 2 cards. I have a duplicate of Rice's W501 Type 2 card, and it is currently listed on eBay. In my eBay listing I have info regarding the differences in these cards, which may interest you: https://www.ebay.com/itm/354418082729

[midmo]

I was happy to pick up this cabinet.


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[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by midmo

I was happy to pick up this cabinet.


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Nice pickup, Justin.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by terjung

Demand for him seems to have been pretty strong recently. I'm not sure if it is general hobby stuff for specific to Sisler, but I've noticed a run-up in his stuff - especially exhibits.

Congrats on the W575. I had at least one of the bids on your card and would've liked to have it, but I wasn't responsible for running you up.

I'm curious how many people out there would consider themselves to be Sisler collectors. I'm one. Apparently someone else consigned the Sisler collection to Al. Anybody else want to admit to collecting him?

I was the consignor of the Sisler cards, a collection built up over many years. Maybe now his RC will get some love, or at least more interest.
I managed to snag the E125 Speaker, the OJ proof of O'Neil and the '39 Playball autographed card of Bill Dickey and the RC of Frank Robinson.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Hi Don,
Congrats on winning this nice looking Sisler card in LOTG. However, the bottom border leads me to very strongly suspect that SGC erred in identifying this as a W575-1 card. Rather, I suspect it is a W501 Type 2 card, which I don't think has yet been recognized by the TPGs. I believe Rhett Y. is the resident expert re these W501 cards - perhaps he will chime in.

As many are aware, I'm an avid collector of Sam Rice cards, and I have examples of his W575-1, W501 Type 1, and W501 Type 2 cards. I have a duplicate of Rice's W501 Type 2 card, and it is currently listed on eBay. In my eBay listing I have info regarding the differences in these cards, which may interest you: https://www.ebay.com/itm/354418082729

Val, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. It is always a treat to read what you have to share.

I have dug into the material more and I believe you are right. I would not have known this if you had not pointed it out, so thank you.

I am still happy with the purchase. It is a great image of Sisler.

I am not sure how to feel with this new knowledge. SGC/PSA not knowing how to label this variation/type is not really surprising to be honest.

[molenick]

Congratulations to the winners of any Old Judge proofs. I think there were either too many in the same auction and/or the starting bids on many of them were too high. Six did not receive any bids, six received one bid, and six received more than one bid...and of those six, only two had what I would call "spirited bidding" (Holbert and Bierbauer/Gamble).

I imagine either the consignor and/or Al decided on selling that many with high starting bids, and I can understand worrying that if you start too low it will sell too low, but in hindsight (which of course is 20-20) I think it may have worked against the cards.

I really like them, as I see do some others, but the market may be a little thin to absorb that many at once.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Val, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. It is always a treat to read what you have to share.

I have dug into the material more and I believe you are right. I would not have known this if you had not pointed it out, so thank you.

I am still happy with the purchase. It is a great image of Sisler.

I am not sure how to feel with this new knowledge. SGC/PSA not knowing how to label this variation/type is not really surprising to be honest.

Don,
Thanks for your kind words. I agree that your Sisler card has a great batting image of Sisler. And, I would guess that your W501 Type 2 card is scarcer than Sisler's W575-1 card. Hopefully, in time, the TPGs will come around to recognizing these cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sisler is a very interesting player, a huge disparity between how he was traditionally viewed when I was younger and how he's viewed through the lens of more modern metrics. Great information anyhow on the nuances of some of the issues.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler

I was very happy to pick up the Crawford fielding T206 SGC 3.5 and a couple of E98s for old time feelings.......
The Crawford gets it down to 48 to go to tame The Monster.

On another note, does anyone have any idea how the E98 Chase in a 3 went for over a grand??? Phil, or other E98 folks, do you have any idea what I might be missing? Just seemed really high!
Tim Kindler

Hi Tim,

The Orange Chase carries a premium and the Blue even more so since they were not part of BSF, harder to find original circulation cards in those colors in relatively good grades. It was a strong price but it only takes a couple of guys working on the color/set to move it up.

That Chase, the Blue Wagner, Red Young, and Orange Bridwell, were part of a recent 6 card find that was new to the hobby, I'm happy for the consignors and the collector that helped them along the way.

Congrats to whoever picked up the Orange Coombs, which was my consignment along with a dozen others, and one of the rarest player/color combos of the set.

Best of luck finishing the Monster, quite an accomplishment.

-Phil

[terjung]

Nice Shoulderless, Star Player and W503, Brian. Those are some toughies!

With so much Sisler eye candy, I didn't recognize the W501-2 v. W575-1 error in the flip. Congrats on what is likely an even tougher card, Don!

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by terjung

Nice Shoulderless, Star Player and W503, Brian. Those are some toughies!

With so much Sisler eye candy, I didn't recognize the W501-2 v. W575-1 error in the flip. Congrats on what is likely an even tougher card, Don!

Thank you, Brian and Happy Holidays.

[Golfpro10]

I was trying for a few other things but this was my lone winner.

[Golfpro10]

Originally Posted by molenick

I won some items but I am superstitious about posting pick-ups before I have them in hand, so I will wait until the December pick-up thread to show the cards. I will say generically that it was one Old Judge proof cabinet, one Herpolsheimer's, and one Zeenut (and none of them were show-stoppers).

Great auction, but my one quibble is that after the midnight close and the 1 AM "any item that has not had a bid for an hour" close, I would prefer that the remaining items be on individual 15-minute clocks.

Basically, I wanted one (and only one) Herpolsheimer's and had qualified for five during the regular bidding (but was high bidder on none on the last day). At one point three were higher than I wanted to go, so I narrowed it down to two. I was high bidder on one at midnight but was topped after midnight, so I switched off to the other one and became high bidder on that. At 1:00 the other three closed, so only these two were left for me to bid on. By 2:00 nothing more had happened, so I put a max bid on the one I has high bidder on and went to sleep. It was several bids above the current price (even more than the other three which had already closed), so I ran the risk of being bumped up, but I didn't want to go to sleep high bidder on two cards, and I wanted one (strictly for research purposes, of course).

As it turned out nothing happened. All the cards I was high on when I went to sleep closed as that price. But I would have preferred the ability to see quickly if I was going to be outbid on the card I won so I could have pivoted to the other card (which I think a 15-minute individual closing would have allowed me to do more efficiently).

Just a very minor quibble...I imagine the current closing method works better for other people.

I will add that in every recent auction where I have gone to sleep with a max bid on a card, the auto-bid has not come into play at all, let alone being bid up to my max. I know some people don't like to leave max bids, but at least for the usual array of major auctions, I have not had any issues with it.

I couldn’t agree with you more. The bidding process was definitely a bit excessive. When the auction hits 1 am and heads into double overtime it should 100% go into a 15 minute clock for each individual remaining lot in my opinion

[Tim Kindler]

Tim,

The Orange Chase carries a premium and the Blue even more so since they were not part of BSF, harder to find original circulation cards in those colors in relatively good grades. It was a strong price but it only takes a couple of guys working on the color/set to move it up.

That Chase, the Blue Wagner, Red Young, and Orange Bridwell, were part of a recent 6 card find that was new to the hobby, I'm happy for the consignors and the collector that helped them along the way.

Congrats to whoever picked up the Orange Coombs, which was my consignment along with a dozen others, and one of the rarest player/color combos of the set.

Best of luck finishing the Monster, quite an accomplishment.

-Phil

Thanks for your insight Phil and your best wishes on finishing the T206 set..... It's not the amount of cards left that will take time, but it's the $ amount that is left to spend on completing this set that is scary and time consuming.
Take care,
Tim

[theshowandme]

Many thanks to Val and Al from LOTG for reaching out on the Sisler card.

Both are class acts, but I am sure many of you knew this.

I am hoping to have the W575-1 (likely really W501 Type 2) card in hand by Friday. If I do, I will take it to the Philadelphia card show and talk to some folks at SGC about it.

If not, I will hope to have a nice discussion with them in Cleveland at next years National.

It is a great card and I want it regardless of its designation.

Many thanks to those who chimed in as well

-Don

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sisler is a very interesting player, a huge disparity between how he was traditionally viewed when I was younger and how he's viewed through the lens of more modern metrics. Great information anyhow on the nuances of some of the issues.

For those of us who haven't kept up to date on George Sisler...

Just curious about your statement, Peter... Was Sisler viewed as a better player years ago, or is he viewed in higher regard nowadays? I wasn't (and am still not) sure how to interpret the "huge disparity" aspect.

Thanks!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

For those of us who haven't kept up to date on George Sisler...

Just curious about your statement, Peter... Was Sisler viewed as a better player years ago, or is he viewed in higher regard nowadays? I wasn't (and am still not) sure how to interpret the "huge disparity" aspect.

Thanks!

He took a huge hit starting with Bill James who called him, I think, the most overrated player ever and did not rank him in his top 100 as of 1998 I think it was. His Baseball Reference JAWS number rates him as only the 19th best 1B ever, despite the .340 BA.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He took a huge hit starting with Bill James

I read the whole comment, but I wanted to stop here...

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Golfpro10

I was trying for a few other things but this was my lone winner.

Nice Matty, you've picked up some great photos lately

[Swadewade51]

Originally Posted by Golfpro10

I was trying for a few other things but this was my lone winner.

Congrats, this is a beauty

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[nolemmings]

I can't believe Peter is lending support (at least implicitly) to an article critical of a fellow Wolverine. Truly a sad day.

[Yoda]

I think the consignor must have insisted on an opening bid of $2k on the PSA1 John Ward (in full dress) OJ. There were no bids and LOTG and the consignor both lose out. I believe that is a $750 card. Shame.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I can't believe Peter is lending support (at least implicitly) to an article critical of a fellow Wolverine. Truly a sad day.

He's still up there with Gehringer and Barry Larkin.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Golfpro10

I couldn’t agree with you more. The bidding process was definitely a bit excessive. When the auction hits 1 am and heads into double overtime it should 100% go into a 15 minute clock for each individual remaining lot in my opinion

Absolutely agree. I am a huge fan of Al's auctions, and as a left coaster I benefit from the late closing, but 20+% of the lots not closing until after 3 AM EST is just not reasonable.

[jcmtiger]

There must be some new blood collecting Old Judge cards, I would be surprised if current collectors paid those prices.

[itjclarke]

I wanted the McMullen but the Swede is a solid consolation. Love the little bits of coupon at the bottom too.

[Prof]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

There must be some new blood collecting Old Judge cards, I would be surprised if current collectors paid those prices.

As someone who picked up his first handful of Old Judges, raw, a few weeks ago, I was following a few comps in this auction.

I will be ecstatic if the prices weren't a one-off. Mine seem nicer than the comps I was watching, and the comps all went over, or way over what I was thinking they'd get.

I already thought I got an absolute steal. Now, it looks insane.




Those Old Judge proofs are super cool. I'm surprised they didn't go for more.

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by Golfpro10

I was trying for a few other things but this was my lone winner.

Congrats! Love the Bain Matty!

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

I wanted the McMullen but the Swede is a solid consolation. Love the little bits of coupon at the bottom too.

Ian,

Congratulations on the Risberg.

[Rhotchkiss]

+1.

Hola Ian. Send me some pics from DH! I miss it

[yanksfan09]

Really thrilled to be adding this! One of the coolest Ruth images I've ever seen! And from 1916 type 1!

[Dave-Illini]

SGC 1 because of back damage but a beautiful front.

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

Really thrilled to be adding this! One of the coolest Ruth images I've ever seen! And from 1916 type 1!

That's a great photo!

[yanksfan09]

Thank you!

[Jstottlemire1]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

I wanted the McMullen but the Swede is a solid consolation. Love the little bits of coupon at the bottom too.

Awesome example.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I think the consignor must have insisted on an opening bid of $2k on the PSA1 John Ward (in full dress) OJ. There were no bids and LOTG and the consignor both lose out. I believe that is a $750 card. Shame.

The consignor must have set minimum bid prices on this card and other 19th century material in the auction. Al's a pretty savvy auctioneer and my guess is that he'd probably have started it much lower opening bid if it were up to him.

The card is really nice for a "1". It's one of those "1"s that people would take at the right price. The pin hole at the bottom isn't that glaring of an issue. Very nice image. Only thing is, nobody wants to pay a premium for a "1" grade on a common HOFer (even with a nice image).

[Golfpro10]

Originally Posted by pherbener

Congrats! Love the Bain Matty!

Thanks Bicem, Swadewade51 and Pherbener for the kind words. It’s my first Matty and I love it. The more I dig into the history of all these old photos the more I love them. I can say i am officially hooked on these old vintage photos. Thanks to everyone along the way with all the helpful advice.

[bobbyw8469]

Totally forgot about this one.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

+1.

Hola Ian. Send me some pics from DH! I miss it

Thanks for the nice words guys.

And funny you should mention Ryan, I was just there again about 2 weeks ago. Much warmer than Anchorage.
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[Coombshunter]

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler

Tim,

The Orange Chase carries a premium and the Blue even more so since they were not part of BSF, harder to find original circulation cards in those colors in relatively good grades. It was a strong price but it only takes a couple of guys working on the color/set to move it up.

That Chase, the Blue Wagner, Red Young, and Orange Bridwell, were part of a recent 6 card find that was new to the hobby, I'm happy for the consignors and the collector that helped them along the way.

Congrats to whoever picked up the Orange Coombs, which was my consignment along with a dozen others, and one of the rarest player/color combos of the set.

Best of luck finishing the Monster, quite an accomplishment.

-Phil

Thanks for your insight Phil and your best wishes on finishing the T206 set..... It's not the amount of cards left that will take time, but it's the $ amount that is left to spend on completing this set that is scary and time consuming.
Take care,
Tim

Hey there. I’m wondering, is there any chance you know where that orange Coombs ended up? I’m looking for that to complete my set of my uncle! Thanks in advance!


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